Give Berhalter an extension now!

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by HomietheClown, Jun 7, 2021.

  1. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
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    Too soon?
    :D:p
     
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  2. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. Flipstar508

    Flipstar508 Member+

    Sep 7, 2006
    Worcester, MA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
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    United States
    Delete this .. lol
     
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  4. Bilgediver

    Bilgediver Member+

    LA Galaxy
    Oct 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    lmao. we'll see what he does. TBH this entire cycle due to COVID gave us 5-man substitutions and I honestly don't know if that's going to go away.
    This cycle is PERFECT for Jurgen, who made his best substitutions from 4 on lol.
     
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  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I know you're joking, but we might as well comment on it.

    We had to give Klinsmann an early extension because club teams were trying to recruit him pre-WC14.
    So we were forced into a decision about extension or not. Then it wasn't so easy for us to fire him during the 2018 cycle, because the cost of the buy-out was substantial for the USSF.

    Berhalter does a lot well. Notably the players seem to enjoy playing for him, and he recruits extremely well. The proof will be in the pudding when the cycle is over.
     
  6. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As an aside, I REALLY hope we go back to 3 subs per game.

    #getoffmylawn
     
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  7. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    Nah homie...
     
  8. Mt Stone@

    Mt Stone@ Member

    Apr 30, 2016
    USA
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    The boys gave Greg a win that he did not deserve. They won Nations League despite Greg not because of!
     
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  9. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I am a big Berhalter backer but, no.

    NT coaches should always be one cycle and done. No good has ever come in the second cycle. Not for Bruce, Bob or JK. It won't be good for Berhalter either.
     
  10. Bilgediver

    Bilgediver Member+

    LA Galaxy
    Oct 16, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it depends. If they prove themselves adaptable, learning from their mistakes, and to move on from "homers", but also humble enough to NOT affect roster decisions with ego trips (leaving Landon off WC 2014 squad?), then I can understand having a manager through multiple cycles.
     
  11. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Still too soon????

    ;)
     
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  12. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    Most successful coach we have ever had this quickly.

    May end up being the gold standard for coaches in US History.
     
  13. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Don't repeat the biggest error in USSF history by giving a pre-World Cup contract extension.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. Anto'nio

    Anto'nio Red Card

    Atlanta United
    Sep 11, 2017
    I actually don't mind the 5 subs per game rule. It minimizes the role of sheer bad luck in deciding matches [the player injured after the 3rd sub. The player injured early in the match, and so effectively reducing the team to 2 subs...]
     
  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In some ways it leads to more strategy, as it allows coaches to better adjust to changes the opponent makes.

    On the other hand, it really hurts the smaller nations/clubs. Teams with more depth are naturally going to get an advantage by having two more subs available. In Concacaf this obviously works in Mexico and the USA's favor, and to some extent Canada now. In UEFA, France obviously is helped by having 5 subs.

    In Club play, the big clubs in leagues outside the US are getting an advantage. In MLS the 5 sub rule is helping player development, as it is giving more opportunities to young players. With a condensed schedule coaches are forced to go to their bench more now. The amount of minutes being given to teenagers in the past 2 seasons supports this.
     
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  17. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a good argument; I actually like the increased element of chance/luck that it imposes.

    Also--the relative helplessness of the coaching staff to control what happens on the field once the game starts--relative to other team sports--is one of the things I love about soccer. More subs means more coaching/manager impact in the game.
     
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  18. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I probably would not go all the way back to three.
    I would say you are allowed 2 in the first half. 2 in the second half.
    Then one if there is extra-time in knockouts.
     
  19. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That almost forces teams to make subs in the first half.

    I'm not sure I'd welcome the possible changes in the way the sport is played if that happened. But who knows? Maybe a shift towards playing a couple of more athletic/faster players in each half will change the tactics and game play in a good way. I'm leery of opening that gate, but I may be worried about nothing.
     
  20. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
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    United States
    Actually, no.

    Let him coach through the 2022 WC...

    Then send him across the hall to rebuild the USWNT.
     
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  21. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I do not see it as forcing teams.
    I see it as helping teams that get grueling injuries early on in a match or concussion protocols.
     
  22. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But teams always had the option to make an earlier sub if they needed to.

    By limiting subs by half, you're creating a "use it or lose it" situation. If a team decides NOT to use a first half sub, then they only get 2 subs for the rest of regulation time.

    Yes, you're allowing 4 subs overall rather than the traditional 3, but by splitting it by halves you're creating a VERY strong incentive to make first-half subs even if there are no injuries or concussions.
     
  23. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I was kind of joking.

    I do not mind the 5 sub rule and was just trying to make it divided into a silly way like FIFA likes to divide things in.

    I get your gripe and if they put it back to 3 then I will be okay with that as well.
    Maybe adding 2 in Extra-time instead of just a 4th like the last World Cup is the only thing I would change.
     
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  24. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no way he should be extended. let the cycle play out and assess then.

    its not like the us would be in danger of losing him or something...there's literally nothing to gain by doing it prematurely.
     
  25. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    There is a Fire Berhalter thread so there needs to be balance in the force.
     

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