Giovanni “Gio” Reyna US National Team Discussion

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by gogorath, Jan 18, 2020.

  1. Pickles

    Pickles Member

    Jun 4, 2014
    He'll be 27 in summer 2030, which should be the prime of his career. But until he improves his fitness and defensive abilities, he'll probably always just be seen as an attacking sub by mid-table clubs. Which might be well enough for his bank account, but he could do better, and so could the USMNT.
     
  2. ianc

    ianc Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    #10277 ianc, Jul 9, 2026
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2026
    For the discourse (45' vs 90'):

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    (Edit: f*ck it, no idea how to get this stupid board to embed images.)
     
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  3. ianc

    ianc Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    Excellent Belgium central playmaker Tielemans versus useless immobile Gio Reyna:

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  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You keep calling Gio useless and immobile. That seems a bit extreme.
     
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  5. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought Reyna showed he was both useful and mobile. Not very useful and not very mobile, but at least he has something he can build on, he’s not the lost cause some suspected.
     
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  6. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Parma plz get back in the game guys.......you know you want to get those sweet Gio passes
     
  7. morange92

    morange92 Member+

    Jan 30, 2012
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'll never be a lost cause because he gives about 5 minutes of flash every so often and that's usually enough to provide a highlight moment or two and reinvigorate hope he will become something lol. Personally i think he's a glorified mixtape merchant who doesn't keep himself consistently involved in games enough to be anything more than an intriguing super sub. But he will stick around because every so often he'll do something incredible and people will start believing again for a little while.

    Good news is now that i've made this declaration about him he'll put it together and blow up next season and make me look dumb. Not that I would mind that one bit
     
  8. Grumpy in LA

    Grumpy in LA Bringing It Since 1807™

    Sep 10, 2007
    Chicago
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I assume (hope?) the poster is being sarcastic. I think the point is that Reyna’s numbers from that game are comparable to, sometimes better than, Tielmans’ if you adjust for minutes played.
     
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  9. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    At this point, I wouldn't want to guess whether or not Reyna will still be playing in a top league, let alone picked for USMNT in 2030. He's always had that something that makes people take notice and leads them to believe that he will be special. Not just special in the context of USMNT, but special in a global sense. Will he ever unlock his apparent potential or will he leave us all waiting for him to show up at our door? I guess we have 4 years to find out, but I think this next year is critical.
     
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  10. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry that is just not true. See for yourself.

    I assume you know that you can't simply adjust sub physical data to 90 minute data because for one thing players get tired.

    https://www.fifatrainingcentre.com/...ts/fifa-world-cup/2026/PMSR-M94-USA-V-BEL.pdf
     
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  11. ianc

    ianc Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    Thing is, though, Reyna is one of these polarizing players who is only a disappointment in comparison to what some people thought his potential was in 21-22. Was he Jude Bellingham? No, then he sucked. But he was objectively *good* versus Belgium in the context of the role Poch put him in. It's possible Reyna picks up some kind of career-ending injury in the next four years, but it's more likely he remains as mobile, or maybe puts together a string of a few seasons and gets his injuries under control and picks up a few kph. If so I would put money on him being in the squad in 2030 (and probably 2034) unless the player pool improves radically and 3-4 more elite "skill" midfielders emerge (vs utility CMs or "destroyers").


    Player │ Pass acc. │ Duels won │ Dispossessed │ Turnovers │ Verdict
    ─────────┼───────────┼───────────┼──────────────┼───────────┼────────────────────────────────────
    Reyna │ 87.5% │ 75% │ 0 │ 4 │ Composed, secure, won his battles
    Adams │ 96.7% │ 29% │ 1 │ 4 │ Crazy passing, physically outmatched
    Freeman │ 82% │ 80% │ 1 │ 18 │ Won duels but turnover-prone
    McKennie │ 79.5% │ 14% │ 3 │ 15 │ Completely overwhelmed
    Tillman │ 80% │ 44% │ 2 │ 14 │ FK goal (deflected) but wasteful
    Pulisic │ 88.9% │ 25% │ 2 │ 13 │ Anonymous, lost the ball constantly
     
  12. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    https://rp-online.de/sport/fussball...auf-lieber-cashout-als-crashout_aid-152533037

    I don't have access to the link, but according to reddit, here is the translated article:

    "Giovanni Reyna turned out to be a letdown for Gladbach—and not because of his susceptibility to injury. Borussia is putting an end to the misalignment with the American after just one year, with no hesitation. It is also a correction of a risk the club should never have taken.

    The partnership between Borussia Mönchengladbach and Giovanni Reyna, who transferred to French first-division club Racing Strasbourg on Tuesday, lasted less than 365 days. With the sale of the attacking player, Gladbach is calling off a gamble that was already a major risk last summer—a risk that, in hindsight, Borussia should never have taken.

    Manager Roland Virkus, in particular, agreed to the deal, but the club’s governing bodies also approved the transfer and a contract running through 2028. The temptation that Borussia succumbed to was great and tied to a hope: that Reyna, the highly talented player who, as an American “wunderkind,” once seemed out of reach for a club like Gladbach, could get back into form at a struggling Bundesliga club and give his market value a new boost.

    The fact that Borussia fell for an expensive sham wasn't just due to Reyna's susceptibility to injury, but also to his work ethic, which he brought to Gladbach after a season in which he had previously played only 341 Bundesliga minutes for BVB. It took months before Eugen Polanski and the coaching staff were satisfied with the 23-year-old's fitness.

    “I saw qualities today that I hadn’t seen like that before,” Polanski said in December. Reyna was in the starting lineup four times last season and logged 509 minutes of playing time—a sobering tally.

    It makes sense that Borussia isn’t taking the gamble on Reyna and his potential into a second year. Better to “cash out” right away than to “crash out” next year—in other words, better to take the money now than to spend another year kicking yourself and possibly end up empty-handed.

    Following Reyna’s participation in the World Cup, another club in Strasbourg is looking to sign him. The fact that an investor from the U.S. runs the club—and that money is a bit more plentiful there than in Gladbach—likely played a decisive role in the transfer.

    Following Reyna’s participation in the World Cup, another club in Strasbourg is looking to sign him. The fact that an investor from the U.S. runs the club—and that money is a bit more plentiful there than in Gladbach—likely played a decisive role in the transfer.

    Borussia will receive a transfer fee in the range of three to four million euros—including bonuses. Borussia has also secured a share of any future transfer proceeds. Since the transfer is taking place without any profit for Gladbach, BVB’s share of future transfer proceeds is worthless. In Reyna’s case, Borussia had to pay for one thing above all else: a costly lesson."
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is a tradition by now for clubs to shit on every player who didnt pan out for them.
    With that being said...
    Oof.
     
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  15. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I mean...............the fitness issues are tied to the injury problems. Right?

    Reyna now has another fresh start in France. He's keeping the dream alive. He just scored a beautiful goal at the World Cup. He can do THAT in the right environment.

    There are plenty of players who fall by the wayside. Nobody has some sort of God-given right to play this sport. This might be Reyna's last shot at the big time.

    I was listening to a podcast today that was talking about Jadon Sancho. A former teammate of Gio's at Dortmund. He's 26 and can't find a club. He's available for free. The commentator said this is a player that might be retired by 28. He was training with a 10th tier club in England just to stay fit. They said he might have an opportunity in Saudi Arabia or Turkey.
     
  16. Kirium

    Kirium Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    I've felt for quite a while that Lique 1 or La Liga would be a much better fit for Gio than the Bundesliga or EPL. I had hoped for Marseilles in the past but hopeful with the move to Strasbourg
     
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  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've never seen anything like that. Our center-forward just walked out on us two weeks before the start of the season and our owners wrote:

    "During his time with us, we have rejected several bids which did not meet our valuation – however we feel this latest offer represents fair value and he therefore moves on with our thanks and best wishes for the future.”
     
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  18. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Me: (finishes reading article and picks up phone)

    911: Hello, 911, how can I help you?

    Me: I'd like to report a murder . . .
     
  19. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    It's true that fitness issues are tied to injuries.

    Then again, have you considered the possibility that successful rehab from injuries is closely correlated to a having a work ethic?
     
  20. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How very dare you!Hope you dont wind up on Mom's Insta!!!
     
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  21. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If only Unai Emery could've scooped him up. No clue if he'd actually be able to do anything with him but he's the manager getting hyped at the moment for his reclamation projects.
     
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  22. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We understand that fitness is a problem with Gio. No matter what we believe the reason is.
    Maybe I'm naive (probably), but I've always thought it was just a problem that's resulted from all of his injuries. That injuries have simply taken their toll. I give him the benefit of the doubt. Not a work ethic problem. How would I know?

    In club soccer, Gio didn't play a 90 minute game this 25-26 season.
    He didn't play a 90 minute game in the 24-25 season.
    He didn't play a 90 minute game in the 23-24 season.
    He didn't play a 90 minute game in the 22-23 season.

    You know the coach that showed the most faith in Gio as a 90 minute player?
    Not Poch, who has never played Gio for 90 minutes.

    It was Gregg Berhalter. The coach that's showed the most faith in Gio was Berhalter in his 2nd term. Played him 90 minutes in that do-or-die Copa America game against Uruguay, for instance.

    History is going to completely flip that Berhalter-Reyna kerfuffle at WC22. Maybe it already has.
     
  23. Burr

    Burr Member+

    Boca Juniors
    Argentina
    Jul 8, 2014
    Tampa, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reyna should've gone to Chicago then.
     
  24. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Injuries were definitely a factor with his fitness. The question is whether it was the factor or part of other challenges (mental or otherwise). Your summary above is not good. It shows a player who can't play a full game. Does his talent warrant having him on a roster as a 45-60 minute player or super sub?

    However, he appears to have shown some maturity over the past year (how he handled the WC). They key may be whether his body can respond. Good luck to him.
     
  25. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    reyna and lewa would wreck mls.
     

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