Giovanni “Gio” Reyna US National Team Discussion

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  1. Excellency

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    LA Galaxy
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    Nov 4, 2011
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    the problem, with a lot of 10's these days in a 4231, is that it's hard to stay injury free trying to navigate the space. People imagine that gio should logically be CAM in a 4231 without understanding he'll be tackled from 4 sides and doesn't have eyes in the back of his head.

    You can have the most 'talented' player in the world and not be able to use him where you want to use him. Messi couldn't dodge tacklers in Qatar, like days of yore at Barca, but they found a way to use him because the whole team was "all-in" with winning the cup for Messi - and Argentina, ofc. Maybe we find the same spot for Gio, maybe not. I trust Poch to use Reyna in the best way possible.
     
  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    That's nice. When in form, he can produce. We know that.
     
  3. Excellency

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    I don't think we have a better defender than Scally, frankly, and he's still very young with growth ahead of him rolling into 2026. With Scally on the pitch I don't worry about the inevitability of a Dest melt down because Scally is always dialed in - even to his personal disadvantage at times.

    We have to be realistic and accept that our problem is lack of a high(est) level 9 and defense. There's enough talent at other positions to make a "best ever" type run in 2026. I'd point to the recent games under Poch as a way of demonstrating that the mantra of "we cant' advance the ball without Dest" was strictly a case of Berhalter having the clueless American soccer media under his spell. We have no problem advancing the ball under Poch and Dest isn't playing.
     
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  4. Clint Eastwood

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    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    True story.

    Which players have played in every game under Pochettino so far?

    The list is very short.............................and Musah is on the list. Seems to be a player that Pochettino values. That's not to say Reyna won't be when healthy.

    [Musah himself has said recently that his preferred position is a box-to-box central midfielder. Said that when Fonseca was starting him at right back for a couple of games at Milan.]
     
  5. gogorath

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    Musah has started for Pochettino, but I'm not quite sure why people think he's locked in for him. He didn't actually play all that well, nor in a particularly important role. He did so with quite a few other players out as well.

    Even his conversation about him was about building confidence, not acting as if he was amazing.

    I think Musah has some assets that Pochettino valued in the role he gave him -- ball security, good work rate, strong athleticism. And then he asked him to play a sort of pseudo-wing back and largely be a width decoy, build up outlet and defender.

    He could do that again - I don't think Dest will be back and so it's not unlikely that we see a less capable RB there. And we know Pochettino wants some attacking width.

    But do we think these windows mean Johnny or Tessman or Scally are locked in starters?

    Pulisic has played a LW-as-CAM (or 8/10, or whatever you want to call it) and has played the more straight 8/10 shuttler into attack role he played in the last game with Weah eligible.

    What he has done consistently so far is have somewhat of a box midfield in attack (in the game Weah played, it was Pulisic and Wes at the top of the box, more or less) and have two guys provide width (Weah and Musah in that game with Jedi staying back more as the bottom of the box).

    Pulisic has been the focus of the build up into attack and that makes sense. But he's also split that focus a bit in some games and had more of a dual situation and Reyna is clearly the best offensive partner for that.

    In attack only, I think something like this is probably closer to our best set up --

    Weah ----- CF ----- McKennie
    ----- Puli ------ Reyna ---------

    Now, defensively, putting McKennie in the middle and Musah on the right is probably better -- and that's pretty close to what we ran against Jamaica at home. But offensively, this crushes that.

    You could also flip Reyna and McKennie if you are more worried about central attacks or even hold McKennie back a bit, and have them be flexible on offense.

    But either way ... Reyna is simply a better player than Musah. His offensive advantage is much larger than any defensive advantage for Musah. So you've really got to decide the role played by Musah is so defined that you actually don't want a lot of offense for the trade off to work, IMO.

    There's situations for that, for sure. Get your offense elsewhere and make sure you leave zero holes defensively. But Reyna is miles ahead offensively.

    I don't think this is relevant and I don't think it has much to do with how Poch is thinking.

    For one, Weah came in and started the first game he was eligible despite other players having played before. So we know someone can come into camp and take a starting spot. And a high priority one.

    I am sure Pochettino has watched tape of Gio. I am sure he knows he's got a great offensive weapon and I'm sure he knows his weaknesses. If we all can see it, so can Poch.

    I doubt anyone is given a spot, but Reyna is going to come into camp, and if he's healthy, Pochettino is going to see what we can all see. A player who can play the role that only Pulisic has pulled off well (go back, get the ball, progress and still create in attack), that is the best passer on the roster, that is goal dangerous, and he's going to find a way to use him.

    If he's healthy, Reyna will stand out. He's the player people think Tillman is.

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    Pochettino historically has loved to crowd the center with super talented and versatile players who can all pass and score and can interchange. But with this team, he's had real issues getting the ball forward -- aside from a small burst of hope from Tessman, the CDMs and defenders have not shown the ability to break lines. So he's used his CAMs. This isn't new -- the prior regime struggled with this and tried to find solutions.

    Gio was one -- he can go get the ball, dribble and pass. You can also put him back there. McKennie is a mediocre option -- he's got the dribbling and the passing but makes a lot of errors. Musah will make a run or two a game but the passing is a gap.

    So it's tough to leave Gio off the field because his skill set is so needed. He will take some pressure off having to have Christian do everything.

    That said, defense is the bugaboo. Reyna has defended better for the US, but we've already seen that the striker will be staying up most likely (although I wouldn't be shocked at a Reyna false 9, either, at times) and Christian will have less responsibility. So Reyna will have to defend. I don't think that puts Reyna in much competition with someone like Tillman, but McKennie and either Musah or Weah provide better defense from a winger/CM combo.
     
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  6. Maximum Optimal

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    Jul 10, 2001
    the question answers itself
     
  7. Clint Eastwood

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    Dec 23, 2003
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    Indeed.

    There are very few "lock starters" on the USMNT.

    As we should want it. We should want EVERY position to be a competition with form, fitness, etc. mattering.

    We should all want guys like Tillman, Aaronson, and Reyna to be performing so well that Pochettino tears his hair out wondering how to fit them in.
     
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  8. QuakeAttack

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    Nice match for Reyna against one of the best teams in the tournament. His passing and vision were excellent and his movement/defense was better.

    As we all hope, we should hopefully see more of him for Dortmund.

    I don't worry about Reyna with the USMNT. If healthy, he will be on the field for most games. As others noted, it's a good problem to have quality numbers at midfield (good competition). Gives the coach many options and depth.

    In the end, USMNT will only go as far as the defense and goalkeeping takes it.
     
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  9. Bob Morocco

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    Aug 11, 2003
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    I suspect Poch views Musah like his club managers, a utility player with potential. I feel pretty strongly that his “prominence” under Poch was heavily influenced by Weah’s availability and the lack of Dest (which meant that we were going to use Scally and needed a RM to provide advanced width).

    How will (Argentine) Poch view (2nd gen Argentine) Reyna? Seems likely he’s going to view him favorably.
     
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  10. ShayG

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  11. Mahtzo1

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    So Cal
    I'm not worried about where he will fit in. I am worried about his health. If he is healthy, he will fit in. He could easily take Tessman's role, from last window, or Musah on wing (who was good but not great imo). That still leaves room for McKennie to stay and Adams to return.

    Health is the key. He is good enough, that if he wants it, he can have it.
     
  12. jond

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    Sep 28, 2010
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    It'll certainly be interesting to see what Poch does with a healthy Gio, Adams, Dest and Balo.
     
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  13. russ

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    FYP.Id love to see it.
     
  14. xbhaskarx

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    Feb 13, 2010
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    Previous Reyna vs Barcelona video appears to have been taken down...






    Except that there have been plenty of people posting in this thread who do not appear to know that!
     
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  15. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    More interesting would be whether these players can be at the same time for an extended period.
     
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  16. jond

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    Yeah a healthy and dependable core is completely hypothetical.
     
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  17. Maximum Optimal

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    Jul 10, 2001
    I think they all go right into the starting lineup. They are all significantly better than their understudies.
     
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  18. russ

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    Fair,but do you then run them the whole first two rounds (four games)?
    The 48 team cup makes your second XI more important than ever.
     
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  19. Pegasus

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    Apr 20, 1999
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    I'm no longer sure Balogun is better than Pepi.
     
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  20. ChrisSSBB

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    Jun 22, 2005
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    Tough to say. I suspect a healthy Balogun would rip the Eredivisie.
     
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  21. Clint Eastwood

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    Dec 23, 2003
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    Who knows?

    What we know is that there will always be injuries.
    And the frequency of injuries to players in the top European leagues has been rising.

    So we need all of these players like Gio, Tillman, Aaronson, etc. to be in the mix.

    We need the pool of players at every position to deepen.
    Like France, who had a ton of injuries prior to and during WC22. Still made the final and could have won the whole thing.

    So yes, as USMNT fans we should all want Reyna to return to form and be integrated into the national team program. Even if you think he plays the same position as Pulisic. There's no guarantee that Pulisic will be available for WC26.
     
  22. psnotyours

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    Mar 8, 2023
    Gio just needs to play
     
  23. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
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    FC Schalke 04
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    United States
    #7773 TheHoustonHoyaFan, Dec 13, 2024
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    Nonsense. Any knowledgeable fan knows exactly who Tillman is. He is a player who will create a lot of chances while also winning a lot of balls in the middle of the pitch. Not a like for like replacement for Gio. Both are quality players with different with some overlap skillsets.

     
  24. Mahtzo1

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    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Hard to say one way or the other. I would have suspected that Balo would rip some of the teams he has played against with USMNT as well.

    As far as I am concerned, the only true thing is that "his spot" with the USMNT is clearly competitive.
     
  25. xbhaskarx

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    Feb 13, 2010
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    United States
    Some of us can appreciate both Reyna and Tillman
     
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