Giovanni “Gio” Reyna US National Team Discussion

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by gogorath, Jan 18, 2020.

  1. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    Over who? Like it or not, Msuah and West are starting, which is your number 8 or 10. Gio isn't a 6.
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he can do as much defensive work as Puli it would be a possibility.
     
  3. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    When everyone is healthy I would go with a midfield of Adams, McKennie and Reyna.
     
  4. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
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    Mar 8, 2023
    You see, I don't see Poch benching Musah. Not after the last two games with the USMNT
     
  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Honestly, we have no idea how Pochettino will want to use Reyna.
    We talk on and on and on about positions and then it our last game against Jamaica he started Weah on the left wing, Musah on the right wing, and Antonee spent an enormous amount of his time in central midfield.

    So.........................we'll just have to see.
     
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  6. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    It's more fun to debate than say we have no idea. But yeah we will have to see.
     
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  7. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The Berhalter regime is gone. Gio will likely need to do more than walk and chew gum to get a start. But there's 4 months until the next A team match.
     
  8. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

    Jul 29, 2014
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    I’d be surprised if there is a depth chart already. The manager hasn’t even seen how a huge chunk of his roster reacts to his tactics/instruction/coaching.
     
  9. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could certainly see Reyna as an attacking mid in a 4-2-3-1 or the left wing in that formation with Poche playing his wingers more narrow. Weah back to the right side. I also think about rotation because all of this is for the WC and I don't want to see another exhausted team if they advance. So he could be looking at groupings of players that work well together. While there would be the best eleven there should also be a few other groups for different opponents and rest.
     
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  10. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
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    Mar 8, 2023
    Might not have the depth chart but knowns who's going to be starting
     
  11. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I thought Gio looked good against Barcelona. He was clean on the ball and was involved in most of BVBs quality attacks. He set up a couple chances that were just offside, which is why you need to watch the game and not just scan stat lines. Barca dominated the ball so chances were at a premium and Gio was responsible for most of BVBs good moments and rarely made a mistake while covering a decent amount of ground tracking back. He will never be a defensive superstar but he was the first midfielder back on multiple occasions and pressed well in moments. His replacement came in and provided an instant spark in the attack but also coughed up a really poor giveaway that led to a late Barcelona goal. It will be interesting to see what this does for his playing time moving forward. But, at the very least it shows he is trusted enough to get a start in a big game against a tough opponent and he didn't hurt himself with his performance so that's a very good sign.
     
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  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yamal's pass for the third goal was incredible. I thought he'd lost the momentum when he cut inside but he just pushed the ball through when most players would be trying to get their balance.

    Anyway, I think Weah would have to make way for Reyna in a 4-3-2-1. Dest and Jedi would provide the width with Adams covering them, with McKennie and Musah or Tesserman as the other DMs giving Pulisic and Reyna total freedom.
     
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  13. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    The quality of his passing was notable, in a good way. I'd like to play with a guy who can deliver a ball like that.

    Dortmund could have used a healthy Kevin Paredes to keep Barca in check. KPar v. Yamal & Co. would have been special. I see possibilities of KP ending up at lb with his ankle now being possible issue. Hope the surgery went well.
     
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  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #7739 Clint Eastwood, Dec 12, 2024
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    I have no problem with the debate. :)

    I just think we shouldn't say "so and so is an 8" or a 10 or whatever with a lot of certainty.

    Pochettino may view Reyna's skill set and place in the squad differently than previous regimes. That's all I'm saying. Beyond obvious, but true nonetheless. We haven't seen yet how POchettino will use Reyna.
     
  15. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    At the 10? As an inverted RW? Even one of the CMs?

    I don't think it's that hard.
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    There's lots of possible ways.

    Christian at LW, Reyna at 10 and Wes at RW is very possible, especially with a more offensively active RB.

    Musah is nowhere near a guaranteed starter. He was ... fine. The only thing he's got on Reyna at that position is a better ability to play the length of the field and perhaps stay wide, but those are things you can easily compensate on. And that Wes can easily do.
     
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  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    You don't need to put Weah on the bench to do this.
     
  18. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    So Gio hit 9 progressive passes off of 31 touches yesterday against Barcelona. For reference Malik hit 4 off of 45. He probably had 3-5 that were chalked off for offside. Hitting a space opening pass nearly half the time you touch the ball is an incredible rate.

    Of course this is not something FotMob tracks. They also had him in the wrong position in the formation. If they weight stats by position (which is what a smart ratings algorithm would do) then he probably also took another hit.
     
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  19. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    Gio has been more productive, per minute, than Clint Dempsey for the USMNT. He’s been almost as productive as Jozy, a ST. His production, on average, has come against meaningfully better competition than Pulisic’s.
     
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  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Saying we have no idea is not only kind of pointless on a message board but it is an incorrect statement.

    We know how Pochettino likes to play, and despite the same poster saying we had no idea how he would play, lo and behold, we played very much that way.

    Will we get everything exactly right? Of course not. Is Reyna a very versatile player that could be played a lot of places? Yep.

    But if the standard of certainty is well above what we know, we might as well all delete our accounts.

    We know 10 makes sense for him -- the role that Poch has set up for his 10s is something he's played at Dortmund and for the US. That dual shuttler-creator role at 10 is something he's done very well for us, actually. He's proven he can / will do what Pulisic can there and Brenden and Malik really struggled with (for different reasons).

    We also know that there are times when Pochettino likes to bring both wingers inverted, so he could play there. Dele Alli and Christiansen would play at RW and CAM interchangeable with Kane and Son in a big interchanging diamond. You could imagine a slew of positions you could put Reyna there, but RW is one he's played for the US and Dortmund.

    In the last few matches we've largely had a much more defensive RW who provided more width, but we also faced a team with strong wingers and had a RB who struggles to get forward.

    And I could also see him playing the DLP/Regista role again. I don't think it's the very best spot for him, but if we go into March still needing the RW to play wider, I could see that being a spot.

    Yes, we don't know specifically where he will go -- or even more likely -- that it will even be a consistent spot.

    But there's lots of places for him.
     
  21. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Pochettino (in his own words) favors either a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1. In the former Reyna would be the most attacking of the middle 3s (I think Adams and McKennie are the most logical other mids when everyone is healthy). In the latter he would be in middle of the 3s (which most people call a 10 nowadays).
     
  22. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    I think it’s sad that people don’t know what a 10 is anymore.

    I agree that often the other two CM in a 433 are called AM but that’s in the context of the heavily Pep influenced tactics most elite teams employ. So in those systems the FBs stay deeper and often invert. The team will form a 2323 or a 3223. Most often that will see either both or one of the FBs to stay behind. If both stay back in the 2323 they will narrow off on that deepest line of 3. In the 3223 one becomes a marking back on the backline and the other inverts into DM. Usually if one stays and one goes the one who pushes goes high and wide.

    Either way those structures have dual AM roles in possession and the most straightforward way to rotate into it is to push the CMs on either side of the DM up in possession. That’s what City did with KDB and Silva. So when a team does that it’s absolutely fair to characterize those players as AM. Pep himself calls them “free 8s” because they have to defend like 8s instead of like 10s. I think the term this board has used for a long time, 8/10, still does a great job of describing the role.
     
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  23. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Reyna is bound to be in the mix, but we are starting to see just how hard it is to fit everyone on the field if everyone is ever healthy at once. Gio in an attacking midfield role makes sense. But, then you have a striker and Pulisic as given. Throw on Gio and only 3 more spots outside the backline are left. And you have Musah, McKennie, Weah, Adams and Tessmann all looking to get onto the field. We have real holes in this team at center back and in goal with a couple decent but uninspiring strikers. But the midfield is loaded with quality compared to anything the US has seen before.
     
  24. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    We don't have so many quality players that the problem of getting them on the field occurs with any frequency. It will be a blessed day when that time arrives. Not to be unkind, but we started Scally and Tessmann in our most recent competitive match.
     
  25. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    In your mind Musah isn't a starter but what about Poch? Also, Pulisic has RW and Weah has LW. Musah and West are stater because of what they have had done with the USMNT. Under Poch. Gio hasn't done anything. It was a clean slate for players
     

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