Giovanni “Gio” Reyna US National Team Discussion

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by gogorath, Jan 18, 2020.

  1. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    um, do you know what challenge means?
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well he can't fight his way into the team if he doesn't get minutes. All he can do is work his balls off in training and wait for an opportunity (injury).
     
  3. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    oh, cool, you inserting yourself into a post i make that has nothing to do with you...

    is it more challenging to "perform" (whatever that means) in mls or get into dortmunds team? i certainly dont believe its the former. that was my entire point.

    but to give you the attention you so desperately want, gio is fighting his way into the team. hes doing that by getting minutes. hes getting minutes because he is "working his balls off" in training. and to continue the simple ass straight-line logic so many here manage to misunderstand (or intentionally misrepresent) he has to be fit to do that.

    i know its incredibly complicated to parse the timeline of his being cleared for training like 5 weeks ago, and getting minutes over the last 3(?) weeks since but i believe in you, little buddy.
     
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  4. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

    Jul 29, 2014
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Interesting question. How many current MLS players could play in almost every BVB game when they’re fit? I honestly don’t know, but I’d estimate 5….but one of them is Messi and I couldn’t name the other 4.
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do you mean it has nothing to do with me. It's a fricking public forum not some private club.

    And then after coming after me you've just completely agreed with what I said.
     
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  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Could play and hold their own? I'd imagine the number is actually pretty high.

    Would play as the best option? Just a few There's a lot of attacking talent there but it's concentrated in a few positions, and that's where BVB tends to be stronger as well.

    Gio needs to get healthy first. Then he needs to get PT. I know why the focus of MLS in the move discussion but there's lots of options of where he could go for playing time if he's still not getting it healthy. He's just got to be smarter than to go a relegation-threatened team in the EPL whose best player plays his position.
     
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  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t think he should go to MLS but when healthy Reyna is also not playing as much as you’d like to see from one of the most talented players in our pool.
     
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  8. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Judging from comments I think Sahin rates him higher than Terzic. If Terzic were still coach it would make sense for him to leave.
     
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  9. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure of the point? Who cares if not one single MLS player would get many minutes at Dortmund. The point is and always has been is, from the USMNT perspective, Reyna better off riding the pine at Dortmund or starting in MLS?
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you not know what a false dichotomy is?
    Why are Dortmund and MLS the only two options?
    What if a secret third option is the best for Reyna from a USMNT perspective?
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reyna has played in every game since this 76 minutes over/under...
    12 + 28 + 1 + 12 so 53 minutes down, 23 to go
     
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  12. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Retirement?
     
  13. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

    Jul 29, 2014
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    The point is that a person that would choose MLS over BVB isn’t going to help you much in a World Cup…if your intent is to win it anyway.
     
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  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's seems like the people suggesting that Reyna moves to MLS are the ones most opposed to Reyna moving to MLS. It's like someone mentions MLS steam comes out of their ears and they lose all sense of reason.

    I don't see any reason why Reyna would or should move to MLS. I did hypothesize that if he did move to MLS the slower pace and lower intensity might help with his injury problems.
     
  15. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
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    I watched Gio today. He came on in the 80th minute and played about 17 minutes.

    He's still in headless chicken mode. He needs a better coach. He was a little more aware this time, but still removed himself from the formation too much to get into the game and probe the defense.

    Gio needs a coach who will be frank with him, simply his role, and rebuild him. Not sure he's going to get that at Dortmund.
     
  16. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

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    May 31, 2019
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    I get the impression that Gio doesn't have anyone in his life who is telling him no and then doing the difficult job of grinding it out with a headstrong kid who doesn't know how to grow from failure. Berhalter was the only one, and even Berhalter still coddled him.

    Gio needs to find the level where he can go through that process and get starting minutes, and he needs to find the coach who will do that with him over at least two seasons.
     
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  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "It's 2023, Pulisic should leave Chelsea for MLS and the LA Galaxy"
    "It's 2024, Reyna should leave Dortmund for MLS and the LA Galaxy"
    "It's 2028, Kochen should leave Barcelona for MLS and the LA Galaxy"
    "It's 2029, Cavan should leave Man City for MLS and the LA Galaxy"




    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNhgvSsVkAcuzxE.jpg
     
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  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're just trying to get clicks and views. Just ignore them.
     
  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not necessarily sometimes on short notice an MLS move can be best in terms of getting quick playing time. And Landon Donovan picked MLS over Europe and he helped us plenty at the World Cup.

    The difference with Reyna is the World Cup is still a year and a half away so he’s not just looking for the immediate move where he’ll get playing time. There’s nothing wrong with an MLS move if you have limited other options. But Reyna probably has other good top five league options. He’s just got to be smart about it.
     
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  20. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

    Jul 29, 2014
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    #7620 MayaDempsey, Dec 7, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2024
    The great ones, almost universally, have a mental toughness that wouldn’t track with a move beneath their abilities. Voluntarily stepping down rarely produces greatness.

    We’re going to need a bunch of players that are significantly better than Landon was.
     
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  21. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    He's 22. It's a bit late to be starting that process
     
  22. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member+

    Jul 29, 2014
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    The process of finding his Pioli?
     
  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If everyone on our national team was as good as Landon Donovan we’d have the best team we’ve ever had by a good amount.
     
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  24. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

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    May 31, 2019
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    LD is literally one of the best international soccer players of all time for any country.
     
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  25. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

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    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    Yes, but it's necessary. Also, I could see Reyna as a late bloomer.
     

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