Gianluca Busio at Venezia

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  1. YNWA Rob

    YNWA Rob Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Nov 12, 2020
    Indiana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This match is like pantomime theatre with all the diving and faux conflicts. Good atmosphere but the football, not so much.

    No sign of Busio yet.
     
  2. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Another bad result for Venezia today as Spezia score a last second winner. Busio and Tessmann DNP, and Venezia now sit 19th in the table.
     
  3. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

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  4. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Started:







    1-1 late.
     
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  5. Ironbound

    Ironbound Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    How many last-minute sucker pinch losses can this team take? This must be some kind of record.
     
  6. Nastrabrahmus

    Nastrabrahmus Member+

    Mar 29, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    or perhaps it’s “how many times can a team switch off that badly in the gasping seconds of a match?”
    Apparently at least 4
     
  7. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
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  8. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
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    Philadelphia Union
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    This may be a little off-topic, but this sentiment hits a nerve in MLS where it is still currently lagging behind a number of other leagues. Some of it is obviously cultural and outside of what MLS can directly control, and perhaps some of it has to due with a teenager not fully understanding the life of a professional until moving away to a different country and being on one's own. But, it is true that the pressure to succeed is less in our domestic league, and at least some of that can be attributed to the way things are set up systematically as opposed to other first divisions out there.
     
  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    Cannon was quoted saying something similar about his move to Portugal. Along the lines of the quality of play not being much better, but that the the amount pressure was in an entirely different world.

    Some of that is the lack of threat of relegation in MLS and some of that is that it just isn't as big a part of our sporting landscape as it is in other countries.
     
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  10. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Mostly sporting landscape. Pretty sure Westbrook felt pressure this season and there is no relegation.
     
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  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    I think sporting landscape is a part of it, but there's definitely an intense pressure that comes with the threat of relegation. And I'm not saying this as an argument for MLS to adopt promotion and relegation, just that it's something we really don't replicate over here.

    I'm sure that Russell Westbrook for instance, would have been feeling an insane amount of pressure if there was a chance the Lakers could be relegated from the NBA.
     
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  12. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
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    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #912 bshredder, Apr 15, 2022
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    It's debatable how much pressure relegation has on the players. The front office, for sure. For managers - yes, although for many relegated clubs there often is a midseason managerial change. So, the manager who is there for the relegation is typically not the one that oversaw the main problems or the majority of losses that led to relegation.

    As for players, there certainly is some pressure, but I have not been sold on the degree.

    For example, if you're a good player and play well for a team which gets relegated, there is a good chance you remain in the top division with another club.

    Similarly, if you don't play well and your team manages to survive, you still run a huge risk of getting cut or not playing.

    Most of the time, but not always, the pressure young players put themselves under at the early stages of one's career has to be the highest pressure. They must hold themselves to a high standard, absent anything else such as relegation. The most serious pressure can't come from external forces such as criticism in the media or relegation.

    The chips will fall where they should if the young player plays well, regardless of results. The pressure to play well should always be huge in the early stages of a career.

    There is certainly something to be said about delivering in big moments, but the pressure to make the playoffs and the pressure to get high seedings exists. The pressure might not be as severe as relegation, but the playoff structure does shift the "pressure" more from the lower table to the midtable. It's not just the Cincinnati and Miami's fighting each other to survive. It's the midtable Red Bulls, Orlando, and Montreal types fighting for a chance to extend their season and remain alive in the hopes for a title.

    So much of what Busio talks about is the culture of the sport there. The results mean so much to the people there that you can't really escape it. They're not watching 4 other team sports, they're watching Busio and his teammates.
     
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  13. run_it_out

    run_it_out Member+

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    Jun 19, 2018
    I would be very surprised if relegation doesn't add a ton of pressure. If you stay, you get your salary cut. If you leave, you are part of a fire sale, the team having to scrounge some destination for you and a couple dozen other players. Then there's the anger from fans:

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/schalke...fter-relegation-from-bundesliga-was-confirmed

    "Schalke players were attacked by their own fans when returning from Bielefeld after getting relegated from the Bundesliga."

    https://theathletic.com/2698302/2021/07/09/reggie-cannon-usmnt-gold-cup-boavista/

    "Reggie Cannon got to his car in the parking lot outside Boavista’s home stadium this spring and immediately knew there might be some trouble.

    Boavista was in the middle of a relegation battle. The result that day had not gone the team’s way and Cannon had stayed late at the stadium to do some recovery work. By the time he got out to his car, the police were gone and fans blocked off his car from exiting the lot. They banged on his doors and windows and reached in to grab him by the collar. Cannon got out of the car to try to talk to the fans."
     
  14. BostonRed

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    United States
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  15. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

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  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Already down 0-1 at the half. It's going to be close between Busio/Tessmann and Sarge to see who follows next to Green/Tillman down the relegation path.
     
  17. YNWA Rob

    YNWA Rob Member+

    Liverpool FC
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    Nov 12, 2020
    Indiana
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    United States
    So does he stay with the club when they go down or will there be demand for him from somewhere else?
     
  18. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    All I know is that Schalke and Bremen are going back up.

    Would playing consistently have been the worse thing in the world for those guys?

    Also, I‘m not sure Busio has done enough for another Serie A team. Maybe a team that gets promoted but would they have the money? Probably not.
     
  19. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

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    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Announcers mentioned this at the beginning of the broadcast. Said Busio has done well enough to be sold to another top tier team. We will see.
     
  20. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Let‘s hope.
     
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  21. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    For all we know if Sarge and Hoppe had stayed and played consistently, those two would not be going back up.
     
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  22. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are in a mood today.
     
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  23. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
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    United States
    I’ve been there too.
     
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  24. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Made me laugh.
     
  25. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    Venezia suck. Disastrous to watch.
     

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