Is rugby another one, like soccer, where Great Britain doesn't do well in the Olympics because the British nations field separate national teams in rugby? Or has that changed in recent years?
I would prefer to leave this discussion in the realm of Soccer and the impact such ideas have on this particular game, specifically the female game of soccer. In my opinion, a boxing forum or a general political forum would be more appropriate to further that discussion. Olympic forum?
Yet you feel free to comment on differences in pay between WNBA and NBA here in the Women's Soccer Forum, even though it's not about "specifically the female game of soccer." Why is it not your opinion that a "general political forum would be more appropriate to further that discussion?" cc: @lil_one
Fair question, and I do not recall why I brought that up and its relevance to our soccer discussions here. I'll have to go back and look that up. Ah, I looked it up. It had to do with a fairness issue in pay between Female and Male athletes when one competes for their country as opposed to them competing for an independent league. There should be an equality of pay when one plays for one's country across the board. That was the issue I was attempting to render an opinion on which directly impacts the USWNT. Are you suggesting that men/women in boxing has a direct impact on the USWNT? If so, how so? Edit #2: The International Boxing Commission did not allow that boxer to participate because of her elevated Testosterone levels. The Olympic Committee stopped using the IBC as its rules for Boxing committee and implemented a less stringent Testosterone level which this and a Chinese boxer also banned by the IBC now passes and is participating in the Olympic boxing events. Expound on this if you wish and its importance toward female or trans soccer players?
Of course your comment was relevant. I'm not questioning its relevance. I'm questioning why you think a transgender athlete in boxing is irrelevant to a discussion of women's soccer when transgender athletes are an issue in all sports including soccer.
I posted an edit above. Referencing the reason these two women boxers where allowed, but not allowed to compete in the World International Boxing event which if governed not by the Olympic Committee but the IBC. Rules changed once the Olympics moved away from the IBC rules for boxing and I'm guessing all other competitions. The South African Sprinter comes to mind who was barred (if memory serves) because her Testosterone (again natural if I recall) exceeded that allowed by the governing board at the time for a "female" athlete.
I think you may be thinking of Mary Decker Slaney, who is American, and who failed a testosterone test by the smallest possible increment, exceeding levels set by averaging athletes who were nothing like her. If anybody was going to exceed those levels naturally, 10 out of ten pharmacists would have guessed she'd be the one. Onliest thing was, her husband was a shot putter or hammer thrower of international ability who had been suspended for trafficking in steroids or failing tests himself several times. So there was suspicion afloat already when he started advising her training. It just seemed unfair to me to tag her for levels entirely consistent with her performances going back to age twelve (when she played "Secretariat" in the Millrose 800, nearly lapping a world class field. At one point, before she was twenty IIRC she held world or American records in everything from the 800 to the half marathon.) And I just don't believe she was doping at 12. She had a perfect distance runner's body and was an absolutely feral competitor-- with nice, pleasant parents who saw her as an expense not a cash cow.
Actually, I was thinking of the following athlete who had won a couple of gold medals in the 800 then was shown to have a naturally high Testosterone level for a female and denied an Olympics due to it: "Olympic Gold Medalist Caster Semenya Wins Appeal Over Testosterone Rules The European Court of Human Rights ruled that the 32-year-old South African was discriminated against." Further down in that article was this: The European Court of Human Rights ruled that the South African gold medalist had been discriminated against. The 32-year-old has a medical condition known as hyperandrogenism, which produces higher-than-usual testosterone levels, a hormone that can increase muscle mass and strength. At birth, she was assigned as a female and has been legally considered a female throughout her life.
France won the silver in Tokyo and beat the US handily in the group stage here, it was an upset when they lost to Canada in the quarters.
yeah didn’t even know till now there’s two types of rugby—-Union & League. The smaller lineup, Union, only one competing at the current Olympics. Thought the event was short & sweet, just played over six days just not getting the rules as far as grabbing & tackling, but like that it’s continues instead of dead ball got to ask why at 3v3 basketball, why the entire Azerbaijan 4-player squad are our own home bred. American born?—I mean is this rule allowed in other sports as well?
The current version of rugby at the Olympics is Rugby Sevens. That is played with only 7 players. Union is played with 15 players and was last at the Olympics in 1924. They have the same governing body, World Rugby. The Olympics has a general "passport = eligibility" rule for all sports, but the governing bodies -- FIFA, FIBA, FINA, etc. -- can have stricter eligibility rules. Some limit changes require them to wait so many years after a switch; other rules limit the number of "naturalized" players on a team.
Basketball is weird. Regular 5 on 5 basketball is limited to one naturalized player per team, but 3 on 3 basketball, despite smaller rosters, has no such limit. FWIW "only" three of the four players on the Azerbaijan 3x3 team are American, and one of them actually grew up mostly in Azerbaijan.