Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, May 21, 2024.

  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Part of it was that Argentina and England naively played into Löws countering style whereas Spain were a much better side who could retain possession and not give away dangerous counters.

    That Argentina side was a tactical mess.
     
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  2. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Full credit to the Germany team. They ruthlessly punished both teams regardless if both were a tactical mess.
     
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  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Argentina were just an arrogant team, LOL. Who recalls the "Ball Boy Muller", LMAO.

    I mean crybaby Argentinian Draxler played a role in Muller getting suspended for Spain game. Thus missing our best player for SF.
     
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  4. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
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    Borussia Dortmund
    Still doesn't change the fact that Germany played with fear when facing Spain, which still pisses me off to this day.
     
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  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    the problem is that Low worshipped Spanish footy, LOL.

    just look at how after WC10 he went full on Spanish footy mode with Germany.

    majority of Germany's current issue legit go back to Low's transitioning Germany into Spain 2.0. which eventually led to Germany crashing.

    instead of taking the interesting Spanish elements and fusing it with German footy he wanted a rehash.
     
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  6. rj123

    rj123 Member+

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I've watched the replay of that "yellow card" several times. There's no way it was a yellow card much less a handball.
     
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  7. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    haven't seen it in ages but didn't the ball go on Messi arm followed by hitting Muller's hand, LMAO.

    in what world was that a yellow???

    I also recall Messi bitching like crazy for Muller to be carded too, LULZ.
     
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  8. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kimmich out, so Baku will start at RB.



    I hope we take the chance to cap tie Thiaw and Atubolu, surely it's not too big a risk v Luxembourg.
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    If you watch the argentina game you will see we also defended very deep at times.

    The problem was the 2010 side had only one way to play which was on the counter - they had no press, and little ability to hold the ball.

    So versus Spain they got strangled. Few ways to get the ball, and no way to hold it.

    Obviously losing Mueller was huge as has had a real x factor in those days, but i also think they were not quite as good as Spain and really needed a bit of luck.
     
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  10. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    IMO the tactical version from after the 2012 EC disaster into the 2016 EC was excellent. Just got unlucky with injuries in '16

    Post '16 Loew got really lazy
     
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  11. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    we've been unlucky with way too many suspensions that ruined tourneys.
    -WC02=Ballack missing final. In the final one of our best players was missing. Its an interesting match. As missing Ballack, Kahn makes a rare mistake. More interesting is that Brazil's Ronaldo admitted that it was NOT an easy game to win and that Germany had chances to win like that Neuville hitting post. Game could have went Germany's way. Imagine Ballack wasn't suspended. Ballack's suspension did cause FIFA to change rule so that NO Player can miss WC final due to card accumulation.

    haha, the whole world would have went BONKERS if Germany had won WC02. That team is almost always considered one of the worst teams to make WC final too.

    -WC06=Dumbass Argentina and their BS of attacking our players for being piss poor sore losers got Frings suspended post match in that brawl. Frings missed SF vs Italy, crucial miss as he was important for us in M. Frings always gave me Khedira vibes, in that important player that you only notice his importance when he's missing, LOL.

    -WC10=Dumbass Argentina again and their bitching got Muller suspended for SF vs Spain.

    concerning Spain, one can say they themselves got lucky to get out of GS at WC10, LOL. They really should have been eliminated in GS. Had that happened would have been hilarious. I do recall refs making BS calls in their favor in GS too.


    the Germany 2002-2016 is some of the unluckiest side ever, tbh. How many tourneys would we have won if things aligned better??? Instead of 1 trophy....we could have won like MIN 3. Instead of this Spanish Golden Gen BS, Germany could have been the one making history.
     
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  12. BVBFNM

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    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I recall two particular instances in the group stage. Against Honduras, David Villa slapped a Honduran player and absolutely everyone turned a blind eye, which makes the whole storm they raised up when Luis Suarez bit Chiellini's shoulder four years later all the more farcical. Against Chile, Fernando Torres took the most blatant dive despite being about a meter away from the player marking him, and the ref's reaction was to show the Chilean player a straight red.

    God, I really hate those scumbags. If I had it my way I would strip Spain of their title and declare the 2010 World Cup null and void. I am certain that World Cup was rigged in Spain's favour.
     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    funny part is how they are declared best team ever when they just got super lucky.
    -EC08=needed a PK shootout just to beat Italy. In final vs Germany, a dumb misunderstanding between Lahm and Lehmann allowed Torres to score winner, super lucky on their part.
    -WC10=should 100% have been eliminated in GS, they got saved by ref
    -EC12=dispatched Portugal to PK shootout

    3/3 could easily have been no trophy. I dont buy the "best team of all Time" if you need PK shootouts to dispatch teams.

    they are the MOST lucky team in history. And yeah the tiki taka BS was such garbage footy.
     
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  14. BVBFNM

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    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Euro 2008 final was IMO the first hint of the mental frailty that was setting in under Löw, because Torres scored the goal in the 33rd minute, meaning Germany had ample time to turn things around yet spent the rest of the game not knowing what to do.

    Euro 2008 was IMO the only tournament Spain's so-called Golden Generation won fair and square. World Cup and Euro 2012 were rigged in their favour.
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I think its more that Low has no real plan Bs. Germany under him the key to winning, was never go down first, LOL.

    Under Low, Germany rarely came back from matches.

    take WC14 for example, Argentina had chances to score, had they done so Germany would likely have lost the match. But once we scored it sealed the deal.

    on that front, it does look better under Nagelsmann for example.
     
  16. BVBFNM

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    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    The GS match vs Sweden in the 2018 World Cup was the only time Germany came back in a competitive match under Löw.
     
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  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Julian Nagelsmann on...
    ...the absences of Nico Schlotterbeck and Joshua Kimmich: Now other players have the chance to prove themselves. Ridle Baku will replace Kimmich. He's done a fantastic job in the training sessions so far and is a regular starter at RB Leipzig. We haven't decided who will replace Schlotterbeck yet. But with Malick Thiaw and Waldemar Anton, we have good options who can fill in well, even if they are a bit different. Hopefully, both of them will be available again on Monday.

    ...the captaincy question: Jonathan Tah will replace Joshua Kimmich as captain. Before the Nations League, we established a team council. Jonathan is the one of them who plays, and he deserves it based on his performances. He's established himself at FC Bayern and is having an outstanding season. He's earned it and will wear the armband. I don't even know if he knows yet, but now he does (laughs).

    ...the development of Nick Woltemade: That's been a very positive development. Moving to another country with a different style of football is never easy. He's already scored a few goals, feels comfortable in the city, and I think the overall situation feels great for both him and us. He's an excellent player who quickly went from the U21 European Championship final to a regular starter for us. He's in high demand right now because he's doing so well and has already scored. He's welcome to keep it up tomorrow and Monday (laughs). I'm very happy with him.

    ... Said El Mala and Assan Ouedraogo: Neither of them will be in the starting eleven. From the scouting department, we know their strengths and weaknesses. But for me, it's also important to observe them in training and see how they interact within the team and the group. When Assan arrived, Said welcomed him and showed him around. That's the kind of thing I want to see: how the players interact with each other. Both of them are giving it their all in training and making a good impression.

    ...Joshua Kimmich, who traveled to Luxembourg despite his injury: Of course, he's missed on the pitch, but he's still there. He has the ability to influence the game even from the bench. Hopefully, he'll be fit on Monday, but he'll also be important for us tomorrow.

    ...Leroy Sané: When we nominated him, very few people were positive. I spoke with Leroy to make it clear to him that he's under pressure. I know what he's capable of, but he has to prove to everyone who's critical of him that he's a good footballer. It's a fact that he doesn't have countless chances anymore. But he can also handle pressure.

    ...tomorrow's opponent, Luxembourg: After the early red card, they dropped back very quickly in the first leg. I suspect they'll want to play more offensively tomorrow. I don't expect them to just sit back. We'll see a bit more attacking play from the Luxembourg team. Nevertheless, I'll try to win the game tomorrow with my team.
     
  18. rj123

    rj123 Member+

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2393 rj123, Nov 13, 2025
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    It was Schweinsteigers' brain fart that killed us in 2016. Giving up a handball penalty in the dying minutes of the first half was inexcusable.

    Had we won, it would have been Portugal that we faced, so that was winnable.
     
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  19. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    we should have won EC16 tbh, biggest blunder of them all.

    with no Gomez in that match as he got injured vs Italy, we had nobody who could finish and thus wasted the easiest tourney for Germany to bag. France was a weak team at EC16 and weren't convincing.

    Low also screwed us over with his blacklisting of every CF minus Gomez that we had 0 backup.
     
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  20. BVBFNM

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    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Löw blacklisting Stefan Kießling for no apparent reason is the biggest mystery for fans and journalists alike. He could have been so useful for Euro 2016 as he was on a roll during that time.
     
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  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I mean most of his blacklisting was nonsensical shiiiite anyways.
    -Kiessling=the impression, I get from the Kiessling was that Low never rated him whatsoever. He had a very very very low opinion about him. Also that he called him up as basically eh, we need more options but over time would rather call up anyone else over him. I 100% believe that Kiessling fits the Low "World Class CF or bust" mentality that DFB had for like ages.
    -Kruse=what was it? He ate too much nutella and then got into media negativity for forgetting poker winnings in a taxi......so Low axed him perm.....WTF does that have to do with anything??? LMAO. Low is a freak, he has this mentality that players are "role models to society" so that if they have negativity in media=axing.
    -Kuranyi=got dumped into the stadium with some other players aka was not on bench.....he was like eh I'm outta here so bailed and didn't return to hotel. Got axed perm by Low, made him go BONKERS, LULZ.
    -Stindl=I felt even though he was very very good in NT and fit like a glove, Low was never too high on him and it didn't take much for him to leave him out perm and move on. Honestly Stindl with Low reminds me of Fullkrug and Nagelsmann, in terms of a player who needs to do excess just to get chance as the coach would not call him up otherwise.
    -Cacau=moved on very quickly from him
    -Petersen, Uth, Helmes, Wagner, etc=axed them all very quickly. Wagner for example got SUPER pissed with Low from what I recall.


    Low's blacklisting are mix of
    -doesn't rate player whatsoever and when he called them up was like what the heck type of thing. He LEGIT goes would rather have no CFs than call them up, LMAO.:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
    -pissed him off sooooo badly that he axed them perm.


    from what we've seen, Low was
    -very very very ruthless with CFs and numerous cases of him heading butts with them. Not sure why he never got along with players in that position. For some reason, its the 1 position where so many issues arose behind the scenes.
    -only CFs that he was very high on were Klose, Gomez, and if one sees Podolski as W/CF as he did play some NT tourneys at CF as the only ones that got a pass from him.
    -had that obsession with World Class or Elite CFs, otherwise the axe is coming.


    its crazy to think that for a LONG TIME, our so called CF issues were all self-made issues, LULZ. Issues that arose by coach reducing the pool of option close to 0 due to BS.

    even Flick continued with the close to 0 pool of CFs too.

    its only Nagelsmann that brought back a real CF pool. If you accept the non-world class and Elite options than the pool is more acceptable one, LOL.

    like too much time refusing to use what one has, which is dumb as frick.
     
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  22. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Petersen was very unlucky imo, should have got a chance in 2018. Stindl was also way under utilised, remember how good he was in Confederations Cup, big part of us lifting that trophy.
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Schweini was washed by then, and unfortunately that was also the start of Mueller being awful - failed to score in 5 games
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Germany were down 2-1 vs Ghana in 2014?
     
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  25. BVBFNM

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    Apr 3, 2016
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    Borussia Dortmund
    Specifically, the opposing team opening the scoreline was all it took to beat Germany during the Löw era, which is what happened with Sweden. Germany had opened the scoreline vs Ghana.
     
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