Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, May 21, 2024.

  1. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    faster we get Stiller, Pavlovic, Bischof, Ouedraogo to SNT the better, LOL.
     
  2. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Honestly, if Bayern moved Kimmich to RB and paired Pavlovic and Bischof it would benefit the NT.

    Bischof slotted in seamlessly tonight.
     
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  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Bischof moved from Hoffenheim to Bayern.

    last German M who moved from Hoffenheim was the amazing and world class Rudy!!!!

    Lets hope that Bischof can at least reach 25% of Rudy's potential!!!!;)
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    What worries me at Bayern is that Vinny will keep playing Kimmich and LG - so Pavlovich never breaks out
     
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  5. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Kompany has caused a real headache with Kimmich and Goretzka getting more game time over Pavlovic.
     
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  6. saj7866

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    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Wirtz will need to start Performing sooner than later. The Premier League is Proving to physical and Quick for him at the moment.

    Gruda is another one who hasnt come to terms with the physicality of it.

    The Best German players in General stayed In Germany, then Spain or Italy being as alternatives.
     
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  7. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Don't know.. imo it's more the way he has to play at Liverpool. Different position, different tactics. He isn't used to his talents. Let's give him more time to adapt. He doesn't play bad either..
     
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  8. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    +1

    Liverpool’s problem is their defense which caught up with them yesterday.
     
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  9. saj7866

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    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Hes playing as a 10. No time on the ball, physicality on another level. I've watched majority of his games. He looks frustrated. Maybe the game against Galatasaray in the champions league will suit his tempo and Kickstart his confidence.
     
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  10. saj7866

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    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Both boxes they are struggling. Problem is, with hugh transfer fees, there comes scrutiny. More added pressure all the time.

    Just hope both wirtz and Gruda dont struggle like werner did in the EPL. Which in the end shattered his confidence.

    On the plus side. Schade seams to be thriving now.
     
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  11. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He is more playing on the left than in Leverkusen where he had a free role. His player ratings often meet the team's average. We expect all more of him, though. England, especially Northern England as an environment is a bigger change than many expect. I was an exchange student in Leeds and the general quality of life was shockingly bad. Gündogan needed some time to adapt as well. But I agree that he looks frustrated. The manager team has to help him more I guess.
     
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  12. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Schade always had the physical attributes to suit the EPL, in particular in a lower half direct style of team. Werner would also have done well in a countering team, but very few top clubs play like that.

    Wirtz would have suited Man City better then Liverpool, or ideally moved to Spain.He hasn't been bad though, I think he will adjust but the huge transfer fee obviously is putting more spotlight on him. Liverpool aren't a balanced team right now, which doesn't help.
     
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  13. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    At Leverkuson he was a big Fish in a small pond. At Liverpool hes another plsyer in deep scrutiny. With a hugh Transfer fee. I'm really hoping he hits the ground running. Scousers can be very impatient.
     
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  14. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    Yes. Salah has the free role from the right to cut into the middle. There is also Ekitike with Isak to be added

    This season Wirtz won't be the main man. But he clearly is their future as Salah winds down.

    Gundo was plagued by his back issues and then another serious injury in his early time at City. They basically recovered his career.
     
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  15. saj7866

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    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I Agree. He definitely deserves time to settle. Problem is the likes of Gundogan didnt come with a extortionate fee which wirtz has over his head. The media scrutiny is on another level. They love to throw anyone under the Bus for headlines.

    Also. Chemistry, a key word in this is still a issue. With alot of new signings
     
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  16. saj7866

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    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Woltemade heads Newcastle ahead against Arsenal, for his second of the season.

    Thiaw also been Solid at the back.
     
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  17. rj123

    rj123 Member+

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    From what I can tell from whoscored.com Szoboszlai took a while to adapt to the EPL, and came at about the same age.

    On another note, don't know if Lewelling is an NT starter, but he is fun to watch on the ball.
     
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  18. BVBFNM

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    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Glad to see Woltemade hit the ground running at Newcastle.
     
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  19. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2094 Alex C, Oct 2, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2025


    Good to see, hopefully perm cap tie him. Will also be interesting to see who we try at RB this time.

    In terms of CB great that Schlotterbeck is back, I wonder if Thiaw might get a call up again soon as he is playing pretty well for Newcastle. We do at least have a lot of options playing CL, those 2 plus Rudiger (injured for 3 months), Anton, Koch, Tah, Sule, Kehrer. Even Sule is now back fit. Just need a couple of these to find their best form so we can cement a pairing over the next games.
     
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  20. Dage

    Dage Moderator
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    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I don't get why Collins and Nebel aren't called up again.. Mixed feelings about the nominations.
     
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  21. GermanLebaneseFan

    GermanLebaneseFan New Member

    Nov 9, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Happy with the inclusion of Brown to avoid losing him to USA , Baku deserves to be back as rb, Burkardt who started doing well recently at Frankfurt and Nmecha being one of the best midfielders in BVB and Germany deserve to be included. But why Nagelsmann keeps ignoring Thiaw who is very solid for Newcastle and he is dual nationality so we could still lose him if we don't cap tie him. The other CBs called are not better than Thiaw and Collins ( I mean Koch and Andrich in particular). Also why to ignore Bischof for goretzka who is not any better . Finally why call up Dahmen who was not good in the last few matches instead of calling Atubolu who is playing on a very high level for the 2nd season and who is also a dual.
     
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  22. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah Nebel is very unlucky imo. Collins seems harsh to give him 1 match and then drop him already.

    Seems we are auditioning different RB's, this time it's Baku's chance to prove himself. Next time probably Henrichs if he's fit again. We could of course just use Kimmich there....
     
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  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    good to perm cap Brown, we don't need to lose players for no good reason, LOL. Is he the first German-American to play competitive match for Germany??? Jermaine Jones only played friendlies before bailing perm to USA and then Magath could have been the 1st but he's technically German-Puerto Rican he isn't from mainland USA. Brown looking like 1st German-American. Issue with German-Americans is that they tend to bail super fast at 1st chance which makes it impossible to keep them long term. Not saying that all are good enough but that poaching tends to happen super fast.

    as for why not Atubolu instead of Dahmen, the issue is that both are duals anyways and neither will play. Its clear that Nagelsmann's pecking order is Baumann #1 (worst German #1 in history, how much is there Nagelsmann Hoffenheim bias??? LOL) and Nubel is #2. The Dahmen/Atubolu are clearly #3-4 region.

    as for why not Bischof instead of Goretzka? Bischof has yet to fully breakthrough Bayern XI. Although on his 1st XI he was MOTM.

    the problem with CBs is that Nagelsmann seems obsessed with mediocre players instead of more promising players. And looks to always prefer calling up the same lot.

    is this the YOUNGEST German CF call up in AGES or what?
    Burkardt, Beier, Woltemade......3/3 are born in that 00-onwards with 0 90s born players. A small glimpse into the future as ALL of Germany's promising CFs are basically in that 02-onwards. Although would still prefer we have the Kleindienst, Fullkrug etc but sadly all injured.Speaking of Woltemade, LOL, was always a fuss about how he's terrible with his head, well so far 2/3 of his Newcastle goals have all been headers too.
     
  24. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Funny how people shit on the U21 Euro 2021 team, inc DFB and even Kuntz did lol, and yet now we see Dahmen, Schlotterbeck, Raum, Baku, Wirtz, Adeyemi and Burkardt all in the SNT squad. L Nmecha, Stach, Vagnoman and Berisha have caps too. Literally 11 players from that tournament squad. Could literally have 3/4 of the title winning defence start the next match.
     
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  25. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    its interesting that Baumann is what stands in way of Germany SNT calling up the last 3 Germany U21 #1s, LOL.

    basically
    -96-97=Nubel
    -98-99=Dahmen
    -00-01=Atubolu
    -02-03=Atubolu

    I NEVER liked that DFB played Atubolu #1 for 00-01, as you could have used U21 to boost some 00-01 GK instead. As of now Ramaj at Heidenheim is the 00-01 with best career progress and a candidate to be future BVB #1 too. But issue is that DFB and German Media are obsessed with Atubolu, some even act like he's future Germany #1.

    for me this yapping about Atubolu is future #1 never made any sense since we do have a wave of next gen GKs all breakingthrough. Who says that the future is Atubolu???? Potential wise, I'm not convinced he should be future Germany #1 too.

    -96-01=Nubel (1BL #1), Nicolas (1BL #1), Dahmen (1BL #1), Ramaj (1BL #1)
    for 96-01, I'm only including the 1BL level #1s.

    -02-03=Atubolu (1BL #1), Urbig (Bayern Bench GK, candidate for future Bayern #1. Getting close to 15 Bayern XIs too), Schreiber (2BL #1), Ernst (2BL #1), Schenk (2BL #1), Noll (2BL #1), Krumrey (2BL #1)

    7 players with LOADS of them in 2BL #1. The 02-03 GK Pool is biggest in terms of RELEVANT pro breakthrough we've seen.How long until this lot moves up to 1BL level??? Fact these days 2BL #1s are full of younger GKs. Even from 00-01, 3 are 2BL #1s too.

    -04-05=Backhaus (1BL #1), Seimen (2BL #1, on loan. ALREADY seen as best GK in 2BL, LOL), Weiss (EPL Bench GK. Contender for future #1), Hulsmann (Austrian 1st #1)


    one continues to see
    Atubolu vs Urbig vs Seimen vs Backhaus from Germany fans as who will become Germany #1.

    reminscent of 17 years ago of
    Adler vs Neuer vs Rensing of who will become Germany future #1.

    LOL, Baumann is basically the Robert Enke of this era. I never disliked Enke but for me, he should NEVER have been Germany #1. I was always pro-youngster at the time too. Enke would have been Germany's worst ever #1 had tragedy not hit. Like how now Baumann is on track to being Germany's worst ever #1. Neither Enke nor Baumann are anything special, anything interesting or anything promising. They are just serviceable GKs who are at best DECENT nothing more. Overall Baumann hasn't really impressed in NT tbh.

    if it was up to me, Baumann is not only NOT #1 but I would nix him from the squad and make him #4. LOL, why are we playing a soon to be 36 y/o as #1 who has no long term future anyways???

    as I keep saying, neither Nagelsmann nor Flick seem to actually want to do youth/younger revolution and instead rely on players who aren't good enough due to age/experience.
     
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