Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

fun little story, back in the day, like around maybe 5-7 years ago (basically in era before WC22) I recall seeing loads of Argentinian, Pengland, Italian, Brazilian etc fangirls being jealous of the awesome power of Germany's M dominance and how we had loads of emerging Ms.

fastforward, our M is a parody that nobody takes seriously.

faster players like Pavlovic, Bischof, Ouedraogo etc (not gonna name/list every player as we got a SHIT TON of promising Ms in younger age groups.) fully emerge as options the better too. Add Stiller to this younger Ms too. In reality all of Germany's most promising Ms are in that 04-onwards, funny enough in like almost all positions in an XI, our most promising players are basically all in that 04-onwards group aka too young or early for WC26.

I mean current SNT has to be the worst M group ever
Gross, Kimmich, Andrich, Goretzka, Stiller

outside of Stiller, not much to write about from the rest. The older Ms have all peaked a LONG TIME AGO or they just aren't good enough to begin with.

 

Ouedraogo is a very interesting M talent too.

just like 5 days ago, clown club Plastic Leipzig who hate German players, called him
"amongst the top talents in Europe."

fascinating package too,
a 1.91m tall player, can dribble past numerous players, good technical skills, fast, aggressive, likes to press too etc.

one doesn't often produce such a talent. His main negative is that he's been injury prone in past. Currently fit and looking like Leipzig has big expectations of him too.

still crazy that the 06 Age Group won U17 WC with him getting injured in GS, LOL. Like we won beating Spain, Argentina, France without our best M. And even U19 Euro over the Summer, he wasn't fully fit as he had just comeback from an injury.

we are seeing next gen Ms emerging at top German clubs too or at min European playing ones.
-Bayern with Pavlovic and Bischof
-Leipzig with Ouedraogo
-Frankfurt seem very high on Is who made debut last season
-BVB looking to have high expectations of Watjen and Kaba
-Stuttgart, that Ulrich is having successful loan could finally force this clown club to integrate an Academy player next season too. Him and Seimen were always the most likely to breakthrough Stuttgart from Academy although forced to go on loan as that club does 0 integration. LOL, they brought Hoeness in part because he did good work at Bayern II aka winning 3rd Liga but has done 0 integration at Stuttgart. Typical ex youth coach who once gets a real gig screw all Academy players showing that they only saw being youth coach as way of advancing their own careers. Nagelsmann is ALSO such a coach which is why his youth integration in SNT leaves a LOT to be desired and why he tends to mostly avoid doing it and mostly focus on washed out players, LMAO.

when was last time this amount of breakthrough or sooon enough happened??? I honestly don't even recall, LOL. And a SHIT TON more around other 1BL clubs and 2BL clubs too. Just quick example.

a 09 M Eichhorn is making waves at Hertha Berlin at that age. How long until he ends up at a top German 1BL club???

 

Nagelsmann praised CF Beier today.
"Maxi [Beier] brought pace and runs in behind the centre-backs."

some think Beier is nothing wow but ignore that Beier has done well in every single SNT cap. On his debut he almost scored hat trick, hit post like twice or something. Other matches got super close. Like his 1 Tourney cap aka 1 Euro 2024 sub vs Swiss helped turn around the game and helped get us that 1-1 D after being down 1-0, he also almost scored too.

Even today, wasn't far off at one point to scoring got very close.

Beier is something that SNT has been missing for a LONG Time aka a player who is just plain old direct footy. Nothing fancy nothing over the top just direct style.

Its something I feel like we haven't seen in SNT since Andre Schurrle too.

something that has to be said.
Every NT needs Players for XI but you ALSO need players for sub ONLY option. Subs are just as important as XI players too. Like WC14 is perfect example of subs making difference numerous times like Algeria R16 and Final vs Argentina.

I don't see Beier as a serious XI option and especially NOT if one brings up the topic of next gen CFs and next gen AM/Ws. Too many have better prospects of making Germany SNT XI over him.

but as mentioned you still need useful Sub Options.

 

its always funny when one sees the direct players do better than the fancy names, LMAO.

sometimes I think that is SNT issue, DFB and coaches want stars and the showoff types and neglect the super direct players types.

I'm not sure why DFB has mostly disdain for the more direct players.

I believe the last fully direct type prior to Beier was a Jonas Hofmann but he was used all over the place whether false RB or RWB or RW/LW, LOL.

its funny because Hofmann mostly played SNT from 2021 and 2022 and he was actually usually one of the rare +. Was not used much at WC22 and hasn't been really seen since and his NT career is basically over too.

I'm sure one can argue that Leweling and Gnabry are direct types but for me they are more partial direct types. Still too much dribbling or backpassing from them, especially backpassing.

Gnabry and Leweling are definition of space players=give them space and he can do something. Close down all space=more towards useless/ineffective.....that is why Gnabry doesn't do shit in tourneys is because less space to maneuver. And that is why we need more close control dribblers especially for tourneys.

I mean Beier can dribble too but he doesn't overindulge in it and uses it when necessary.

 

well Woltemade did record his 1st productivity for NT yesterday as he had assist to Gnabry's goal. It was his ball that led Gnabry to end 1v1 with GK.

so its a start for him.

 

oof that's very embarrassing...
Nagelsmann took "many insights" from his 25th international match (regarding the reactions after the 3-1 win against Northern Ireland), which could have also turned into a fiasco. A German national team hasn't lost four consecutive matches in more than 100 years, the last time being in 1913. Five games without a win, however, have been more common, most recently between March and September 2023 under Flick. However, following the results against Belgium (2-3), Ukraine (3-3), Poland (0-1), Colombia (0-2), and Japan (1-4), he was forced to leave after 25 international matches. Discussions of this kind regarding Nagelsmann were nipped in the bud for the time being by the win against Northern Ireland.

Only Ribbeck and Flick with a worse average
With 1.8 points, Nagelsmann has a slightly better points average than current Barcelona coach Flick (1.72) after the same number of DFB matches. His predecessor, Joachim Löw, averaged 2.32 points after 25 matches, collecting 58 out of a possible 75 points. His predecessor, Jürgen Klinsmann, had an average of 1.92 points at the same time, having collected 48 points. Rudi Völler achieved 2.02 points, while Erich Ribbeck is the only national coach to date not to have reached the 25-match mark, having to resign in the summer of 2000 after 24 matches and a points average of 1.5. In the entire history of the DFB, only Ribbeck and Flick have had a weaker points average than Nagelsmann currently (see national coach statistics).






funny because Ribbeck at least has excuse that his players were worst in quality than Nagelsmann or Flick.

LOL, according to TM, it was yesterday's W that allowed Nagelsmann to overtake Flick.....otherwise he's barely better than Flick.

only thing Nagelsmann has for himself is that at least he made QF in a tourney and was very close to beating Spain and making SF but outside of that loads of meh results.

 

it seems like Italy and Germany's rivalry is back..............back at who is more embarrassing of the 2, LMAO.

 

the only ones I respect, LOL.

frick Argentina, Spain, France and the wannabes Pengland who shouldn't be considered for anything, LOL. Portugal has more trophies than Pengland too!!!!!!

 

Thomas Kroth (Manuel Neuer's agent) on a possible national team comeback of his client for the World Cup: "If I give a clear answer now, I'll be opening a can of worms [laughs]. He's in top form and absolutely delivering. If Julian Nagelsmann sees a problem in that position, if… pic.twitter.com/C4dJrKx0V5

— Bayern & Germany (@iMiaSanMia) September 9, 2025

its time to move on, LOL.

never seen a player who retires from NT but feels like he NEVER wanted to, LOL. Always tries to get back into it.

 

he'll retire at Bayern but still push to be Germany's #1 and start hassling and stalking DFB.

and then the DFB goes.
"someone call security and escort him out."

 

Pengland is hype due to EPL. Since the like late 90s-present ALL the Pengland hype is based on EPL hype.

I think its a massive shame that EPL took ALL the Serie A hype away. I recall in the days when Serie A was best league in Europe back in 90s-mid 00s.

I mean people who bitch and bitch about 1BL level cough DFB+MEDIAD ignore one thing? When was 1BL ever this AMAZING seen league? LOL.

my entire lifetime 1BL was NEVER EVER seen that highly. Even then loads of SF and Final runs for NT, so it made 0 difference.

Was 1BL really last seen highly in 70s to mid-80s???

this Modern day complaint about 1BL is just scapegoating tbh.

naw frick Argentina, they HATE Germany with a passion. Never forget their BS at WC06-WC10, and they are triggered that they have honor of being 1st team in history to be eliminated 3 back to back WCs by same team aka Germany, LMAO.