Yes, even the so called lesser teams have mastered the low block tactics. Them days of whipping teams by five or six are long gone.
Agreed - that is why Kane kept dropping deep to try to get away from his markers. You saw straight away with Watkins on, who is younger and quicker - he offered a bit more - but its still a grind
Gotta tell you guys, the anger I felt yesterday was so intense it resulted in me suffering a headache for the rest of the day. Even the mere memory makes me feel like the headache will return.
The days of CF whose entire job to sit in the penalty box and wait for tap ins and headers are long, long gone......Even the Lewandowski and Kane type of strikers are a dying breed and teams are quickly moving past them....Haaland is probably the last real world class player of this type left and iam not really seeing any young ones coming through in Europe. I think we saw in the EC that different variations of the "False 9" is here to stay. Prime Müller would have been perfect for this new style of football.
It's normal mate. I was really down when Germany went out, took time to recover. I do understand it's hugely frustrating, the Spanish have won 3 out of last 5 Euros and we've gone to long without winning it. But our time will come, we've got some cracking players coming through .
nope the point is that if you can win with Morata you could have won with a Fullkrug in XI that was the point. Havertz doing his job? He was useless in every match and didn't do anything. Morata is average CF and did a LOT more too.
but who says they have to be 1 to 1??? BVB made a CL final with Fullkrug........ anyways finally official that Muller is retired, 2 down 2 to go.
The point is the two managers choose a player that best fits their tactics. Morata has always been light on goals but is a technical player and hard working. If Germany play Fülle the tactics have to be different because of his lesser mobility, touch, passing etc. That is why I doubt he will ever be more than a joker role
Come next Euros Germany will have gone 32 years without winning it. After 16 years as the record winners they were equalled in 2012, and now they have been surpassed by Spain, the nation I despise the most, which makes it even more infuriating. Now Germany have been relegated from being at the top to playing catch-up. Last time Germany won the Euro I did not even know such a thing existed, therefore I have never witnessed a German Euro victory, and right now those are my two major obsessions in football: Borussia Dortmund winning their second CL title and Germany reclaiming their top spot at the Euros. I don't want to live past the age of 45, which means Germany have to win back-to-back Euros.
NZ won the Rugby World cup in 1987 when i was at high school. I imagined we'd win it many more times after that. Imagine my shock when we didn't win it again until 2011 lol
Been saying it and will repeat it again. Germany's CF doesn't have to be world class, he just needs to do his job. Just a small reminder that in the last tournament won by Germany, the 2017 Confederations Cup, they had three proper CF options: Timo Werner, Lars Stindl and Sandro Wagner.
eh and you think that BVB is a slow team? And also you think he's not hard working??? Also Germany we barely even play any counter style anyways, still more possession based so CFs being amazing in touch/passing is not as important as scoring. so we played tactics to accomodate Havertz but couldn't accomodate Wirtz who is an even bigger difference maker? HUGE L on Nagelsmann.
do you think the scores of the Germany matches would have been different if Fullkrug had started instead of Havertz? Asking as except for the beautiful touch against Denmark which he eventually missed, I do not see Havertz’s mobility made any difference for Germany…on the contrary he missed sitter after sitter including 2 against Spain
Havertz reminds me of young Gomez (not in playing style) but who recalls that Gomez in Euro 2008 was so rubbish when playing that he got benched and also missed numerous sitters and even some open nets, LOL. although cringe part Gomez in 2008=22 y/o Havertz in 2024=25 y/o LOL. like he's a mid-20s but plays like an teen-early 20s CF, its pathetic showing. So given that its more reason why Havertz is legit one of worst EVER German CF in a tournament. in both cases, its clear what the team needed was an older and more experienced player who CAN finish. from what I've noticed, I think Podolski was last successful player to play CF for Germany young although even him he played off of Klose. and Havertz actually looked better whenever playing off Fullkrug. that is huge question mark for Germany, it feels like the older the CF the more likely they will perform. Even Gomez performed when playing Euro 2012-2016, took him awhile but was injured in 2014 though. Ones who are younger have shown struggles to perform which highlights for us, AGE IS HUGE. And why I have 0 issues with late bloomer CFs. even Werner was 21 y/o in CC17 and 22 y/o in WC18.......Although hard to blame him for WC18+EC20 when whole team was disaster at that point in time. Havertz can't even perform for a functioning team........LMAO.
hahahahaha and people wonder why some of us hates Spain. Their players are just POS, LMAO. a player we brought up in here aka bang average Morata spends his celebration to shit on Musiala. Álvaro Morata at Spain's title celebration presenting Carvajal: "Where is Musiala? Where is he? The best right-back in the world, Dani Carvajal" pic.twitter.com/TjXWxil6mt— Bayern & Germany (@iMiaSanMia) July 15, 2024 is that the same Musiala who scores on you guys if not for a getting away scott free handball, LOL.
I don't want to endlessly debate Havertz vs Füllkrug (i like both players)*. What I am getting at is why Nagelsmann makes the decision he makes. What you have to accept is if you play Füllkrug instead of Havertz (or Beier), you cannot play Nagelsmanns preferred club football style. Nagelsmann wanted Kroos to be able to play long to Havertz making a channel run, or to the player coming short. That brings the 10s in to the game. (This is also why he wanted Sane to start vs Spain - to make the pitch big - but unfortunately the player is simply not match fit). In defence he wants a high pressing style - where Havertz is superior to Füllkrug. Then in the last 30 when the high press cannot be sustained, Nagelsman switches to a countering setup or if chasing, throws in the kitchen sink * Neither Havertz or Fülle missed any sitters vs Spain. They both had xG of .4 - it was Müller who missed Germanys only big chance of the game.
I agree - this kind of player smack talk is really small minded. Wonder if there was beef on the field?
Füllkrug clearly lacks pace, mobility, passing and touch yes. And BVB were poor last season. For all the talk of Füllkrug being good at scoring, he did not show that last season - including in the CL final. The issue with Wirtz vs Sane is he makes the attack quite narrow as Kimmich doesn't overlap. It didn't work out but you can see the thinking. Spain played with 2 genuine wingers for this reason.
They seem to be poor winners. I still remember the Congo line they did behind Schweinsteiger's interview after the 2008 euro loss.
official team of the tourney. LOL Pengland made final and only 1 player makes XI. LMAO NO CF impressed that Musiala is there instead.
Rudi Völler: "Spain absolutely deserved to win the tournament. They mastered possession football, but also transition via their wingers" • What do we lack compared to the Spaniards? Völler: "To be honest, not that much. We were the only team to force them into extra time in the knockout games, we were very close. We have Florian Wirtz and Jamal Musiala. The future belongs to them. The Euros have shown that we're moving towards the top of the world" Rudi Völler: "Spain absolutely deserved to win the tournament. They mastered possession football, but also transition via their wingers"• What do we lack compared to the Spaniards?Völler: "To be honest, not that much. We were the only team to force them into extra time in… pic.twitter.com/zS2cCY3stj— Bayern & Germany (@iMiaSanMia) July 16, 2024
The proof of the pudding is in the tasting, so the only way to back up those words is with trophies, starting with the Nations League. It would be first step in the right direction.