Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

The Jitty Slitter · Sep 7, 2025

Ger90 said: ↑

Woltemade is a player who would do wonders in a fully functional German team instead of current mess we see. Is it him who looks static or is it the whole team??? The reality its the team who didn't much of anything for over an hour. Woltemade tried to go solo too and wasn't excessively far off.

all of the young players have had issues performing for this team.
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not saying it’s his fault but the subs have made way better runs and opened the game up.

Ger90 · Sep 7, 2025

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

not saying it’s his fault but the subs have made way better runs and opened the game up.
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subs are doing so vs tired legs though.

its much harder to be an XI than sub too.

how do you know that Woltemade didn't run down the Irish D which made it easier for the subs? Guy is a handful and mostly had 2 guys on him too.

rj123 · Sep 7, 2025

saj7866 said: ↑

But klopps philosophy is no different. Highline with high Octane football. Germany needs to play to its strengths, discipline, Hard to beat, and Good quality
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High octane? As the first 150 minutes of this qualifying campaign was low octane? BTW it was half a joke.

Alex C · Sep 7, 2025

Woltemade occupied defenders, we needed better movement around him.

Dage · Sep 7, 2025

First half was shit. 2nd goal was due the lack of quality of our opponents. I am not impressed and I am not reconciled. Against half a decent side this would have been a lose. Don't get tricked.

Ger90 · Sep 7, 2025

FT, 3-1 W

amazing, Germany is totally winning the WC!!!!!

joke aside that was not a great game. Nagelsmann and all coaches need to ditch the dumbass back 3.

but what counts is the 3 pts. Poor start to qualifiers but was important to get something from that. Here's hoping we have returning from injury players come October.

and we need to continue winning so need 2/2 Ws in October and score as much as possible as tiebrakers are GD and not head to head.

rj123 · Sep 7, 2025

Ger90 said: ↑

Rudiger is thirsty for a red card, LOL.

glad we are subbing him out.
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I dunno, unless he improves he may have lost his starter spot.

Alex C · Sep 7, 2025

Dage said: ↑

First half was shit. 2nd goal was due the lack of quality of our opponents. I am not impressed and I am not reconciled. Against half a decent side this would have been a lose. Don't get tricked.
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Yep, the only consolation is we still have a few players to come back.

I've given up hope of a deep WC run, just hope we don't embarrass ourselves again.

Ger90 · Sep 7, 2025

Alex C said: ↑

Woltemade occupied defenders, we needed better movement around him.
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yup, in U21 we always made good use of playing around him. So even when he didn't score still made a difference.

so far that is non-existent in SNT.

Ger90 · Sep 7, 2025

who wants to bet we shall see Havertz reclaim the #9 spot once he's back, ugh.

I blame Kleindienst who should basically be 1st choice, since Nagelsmann never rated Fullkrug but typical all the older CFs are injury prone.

rj123 · Sep 7, 2025

Ger90 said: ↑

Woltemade is a player who would do wonders in a fully functional German team instead of current mess we see. Is it him who looks static or is it the whole team??? The reality its the team who didn't much of anything for over an hour. Woltemade tried to go solo too and wasn't excessively far off.

all of the young players have had issues performing for this team.
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IMO, it was our inability to break the back 5 that NI had, there was no mobility in our game and we had difficulty getting into the final third. Until the subs. In a more dynamic game, against stronger opponents that don't play a 5 line block i think Woltemade will have some room.

rj123 · Sep 7, 2025

Ger90 said: ↑

who wants to bet we shall see Havertz reclaim the #9 spot once he's back, ugh.

I blame Kleindienst who should basically be 1st choice, since Nagelsmann never rated Fullkrug but typical all the older CFs are injury prone.
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You're on. I bet he gets RW.

dips82 · Sep 7, 2025

Thankfully 3 points

poorvi · Sep 7, 2025

BandB said: ↑

I don't blaim our players, this was tactical error and mostly has to blame on Nagelsmann. Our build up is super slow, Kimmich was instruced to receive the ball at far below half way line pretty much same line as our CB. What's the use of that? Instead of build up from your CB to full back then progress toward halfway line.

********ing disaster. Now people who don't get football will complain and look down on our talents. I feel bad for Flo.

Nagelsmann start the game with Goreztka as the no. 10? what's the hack? Playing slovakia I rather have Nick as 10 and Fullkrug as 9 or both start as 4-4-2. Gnabry as RW but have to come down on build up as RB because Collins was out of his position and super advance as RW.

Everything was wrong since the start. Give Nagelsmann 0 point.
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You suggest that the combination of Tah and Ruediger start build up from the defence? Inspires no confidence and perhaps that is why Kimmich was involved in the build up.

Apart from that I agree with you: a 4-4-2 would have worked against Slovakia.

poorvi · Sep 7, 2025

rj123 said: ↑

I dunno, unless he improves he may have lost his starter spot.
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Ruediger has gotten the proverbial long rope. His crazy antics cost Germany that opener against Japan in the WC. And there by ruined rhe campaign.

He needs better self control. He is a good CB but he is channeling his inner Pepe for the NT.
Needs to be benched.

Ger90 · Sep 7, 2025

rj123 said: ↑

You're on. I bet he gets RW.
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If I lose, I'll stop bringing up Mustafi.....sadly I'll lose a paycheck for not propping him up!!!

never underestimate the inability to let go a failed thing with this modern day Germany.

poorvi · Sep 7, 2025

saj7866 said: ↑

But klopps philosophy is no different. Highline with high Octane football. Germany needs to play to its strengths, discipline, Hard to beat, and Good quality
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Sorry but did I read that right?
High Octane!!?

Germany played like they are on Valium. Don’t let the score line fool you.

It was an evenly contested first half. Second half we got lucky!

saj7866 · Sep 7, 2025

rj123 said: ↑

High octane? As the first 150 minutes of this qualifying campaign was low octane? BTW it was half a joke.
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My point is, klopp for me is no different to Nagelsmann or Flick. They have very similar philosophy

saj7866 · Sep 7, 2025

poorvi said: ↑

Sorry but did I read that right?
High Octane!!?

Germany played like they are on Valium. Don’t let the score line fool you.

It was an evenly contested first half. Second half we got lucky!
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Klopps philosophy is no different to a normal Nagelsmann or Flick philosophy.
High risk. We don't have the Personnel for these kind of coaches.

Rudi Voller gave a perfect blue print how Germany should play.

saj7866 · Sep 7, 2025

Germanys defense right now is struggling. But if any team has a CM's who have zero legs and physicality, that is a recipe for disaster. Kimmich Gros combo is not the best.

Ger90 · Sep 7, 2025

saj7866 said: ↑

Klopps philosophy is no different to a normal Nagelsmann or Flick philosophy.
High risk. We don't have the Personnel for these kind of coaches.

Rudi Voller gave a perfect blue print how Germany should play.
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that's kinda the issue is this desire to play a style with the personal we don't have.

yeah Voller went for a more old school approach and that is a better fit for the current SNT. It might not lead to trophies but would lead to less pathetic results.

but it seems like NOBODY at the DFB even want to acknowledge this and would rather force things that don't fit that well.

this is why I find most coaches are stupid tbh.

one should always play to what you have but most refuse to do this.

like take CFs for example, the whole Low+Flick.
World Class or Elite CF or BUST aka otherwise false 9.

why not just play the CFs you have?
Nobody buys that every country in Europe play with world class CFs. Like Spain won EC24 with a Morata, LMAO. But it makes a HUGE difference having CFs to play but for way too long this stubbornness on issue.

saj7866 · Sep 7, 2025

Such a pitty we don't have a Jupp Heynckes type of coach.

BVBFNM · Sep 7, 2025

Based on these two qualifing matches alone, I don't think Germany will make it past the QFs.

saj7866 · Sep 7, 2025

BVBFNM said: ↑

Based on these two qualifing matches alone, I don't think Germany will make it past the QFs.
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Lol. Your being Generous. Unless we have everyone fit and firing, it's going to be very difficult.

I'd have a open Top bus parade if we get to QF

BVBFNM · Sep 7, 2025

saj7866 said: ↑

Lol. Your being Generous. Unless we have everyone fit and firing, it's going to be very difficult.

I'd have a open Top bus parade if we get to QF
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Good one! You made me chuckle.