Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

Bring back Emre Can!!

 

Its the Trend of all German coaches. To play the suicidal high line. We don't have the Quality in Personnel for it.

Voller Gave the perfect blue print in the win over France.

A balanced team with discipline. And no highline.

 

I have yet to see the benefit of us playing a high line. How many matches have we actually looked good playing one?

 

Certainly been the demise of all the Coaches.

 

Völler's blueprint worked like a charm, yet Nagelsmann can't help but put his stamp and has constantly tinkered to the point of being back to late stage Löw and Flick tactics which are just suicidal.

 

Agree. It must be a Ego issue. Tinkering effing every Game.

 

I don't think it's an ego issue, but a Nagelsman issue, and some development issue (as a coach). Nagelsmann has always been a tinkerer, something you can do as a club coach but not as an NT coach. I don't think he's realized it yet. Also the injuries to starting players didn't help, he had to put together a makeshift lineup. Unfortunately it was possibly the worst one he could pick.

 

Let's just ditch the mid 90's born players lol.

Atubolu/Urbig
Baum, Bisseck, Schlotterbeck, Ullrich
Pavlovic, Stiller
Gruda, Musiala, Wirtz
Woltemade

 

You @Alex C @BVBFNM are well clued up on the youths coming through.

Is there a issue were our youth start off worldbeaters in age groups, then stagnation kicks in, and they fall on the way side?

I've seen a few age groups now who have started well. But just not kicked on at all.

Which is very concerning

 

@Ger90 is the real youth expert here, but like he says the issue is more with the DFB and media seemingly looking to run with the narrative that we don't have many talents (or CF's) when the opposite is true. This leads to an easy excuse for clubs not to bother with integrating talents, preferring the buy cheap foreign and sell on for a quick profit model.

It certainly doesn't help how the majority of BL clubs tend to prefer signing mediocre foreign players rather then give their own youth a chance. Case in point, lots of clubs made a show celebrating their U17 Euro + WC winners but then you see hardly any getting any sort of playing time, despite clubs making positive noises. Several have ended up bailing or are still stuck playing II. If you see someone like Odogu not getting a real plan for integration with Wolfsburg only for AC Milan to sign him instead, you know something isn't right.

I do think some players are moving abroad too early as well, guys like Gruda, Bella-Kotchap and possibly even Woltemade should probably have stuck around in 1BL longer.

We are at least seeing clubs like Mainz and Freiburg and to an extent Frankfurt (although not from their own academy) showing you can have success with a core of German youth, I don't understand why more clubs aren't seeing the upside.

 

This was such a disappointing game—every single player underperformed. Slovakia was incredibly organized, and any time a German player had the ball, no matter where they were on the field, they were immediately pressured. That either forced us to pass backward or to a player who was already tightly covered.

There was a frustrating tendency to push the ball wide into positions that led only to backward or errant passes. I don’t understand why we didn’t try to play through the middle, attempt some long-range shots, put more balls into the box, or even try dribbling in the final third to create chances. Not only did we fail to look like scoring—we didn’t even look capable of creating threatening opportunities.

It’s becoming clear we aren’t as talented as we think. A player might look good in the Bundesliga, which is clearly a weaker league right now, but those same players struggle abroad. The only real exceptions were Kroos and Gündogan, but both are gone, and it’s no coincidence that our sharp decline has followed their retirement.

 

I am personally think that each Germany coach like Flick or Nagelsmann, they all want to make the name of themselve. They will tinker,adapt this adjust that to make his own winning formula pretending we are Brazil, Spain or France.

These days, If you don't win the midfield battle, it most likely end up as the loosing side. simple as that. Last night, we saw a forward from English championchip side turns Real Madrid CB into a headless chicken. If you pivot midfield can't dominate or won challenge. It's over.

Stiller shines in Stuggart because Karazor did the dirty work for him. Without a real 6 like Andrich or Pavlovic, we will concede again. If you all remember, our last WC 14, we even field 3 CB Hummel & Boateng and Howedes as LB/ LCB and the hard tackling pairs Khedira and Schweini. It's time to defense before offense. Forget that beautiful technical, we are not Spain. It's never be Germany's winning style.

 

The other thing I'd add about our youth is that so many of them are injury prone. Not sure if there's something wrong with the training/medical side but it happens far too often that a player looks on the verge of breaking through and then gets injured.

 

I don't think people are overrating our quality as a team, we don't expect to outplay other top nations right now but surely we should expect to be more competitive v Slovakia.

Fully agree that we have to focus on being tough to beat. Imo Nagelsmann approached the match v Slovakia in a pretty naive or even arrogant way. You don't go into a potentially awkward away environment with such an open system, keep it tight and eventually you might get a few chances, but at worst a draw would have been acceptable. You don't see France trying to be over attacking or too open in many matches, but they get results in the vast majority v mid tier nations. Which we've struggled with over the last few years (Mexico, Korea, Hungary, Poland, Austria, Colombia, Slovakia etc).

It's interesting to note that when we play against top tier opponents, we tend to perform better as we set up to be tough to beat rather then trying to be too clever.

 

I agree a lot of the players have a piss poor weak mentality, but that also applies to the coaches as well. We don't need a wannabe tactical genius, just keep things simple. Or ******** off back to club football where you can experiment every week if you want.

We really need a no nonsense disciplined approach at this point, start by telling Kimmich he's staying at RB permanently. And don't be afraid to leave out big names if they aren't performing.

 

Wonder what it would take for the mid 90’s to get dropped..
If we lose against Northern Irland Nagelsmann could lose his job. But have a hard time seeing a new coach do a total rebuild so close to WC.

maybe it would be the best with a narrow win over Northern Irland with bad play. And that Nagelsmann feels he need to do something quite drastic with the squad.

a big problem is that players like Jeltsch, Gruda, El Mala, Weiper and the other new CF, Bischof, Karl etc needs more time.

would be fun to see a 3 man midfield with Stiller, Pavlovic, Bischof, then 3 at top with Wirtz, Musiala, Woltemade. Havertz as first sub and some interesting youngsters from the bench. Building for the future. Would feel more acceptable to lose then.

 

Sounds like a job for Felix Magath!

 

Maybe you should put in for the Job. Lol

We need a Jupp Heynckes as coach.