Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, May 21, 2024.

  1. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The Dutch dropped points tonight. So we move clear at the top
     
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  2. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Pretty good performance, 1-2 flattered Bosnia could easily have had another couple. Undav shows all the predatory instincts you need as a CF, and I liked some of the link up between him and Kleindienst. Burkardt impressed as well when he came on. It's funny because not long ago it's.likely none of those 3 would have been called up, and yet now we are seemingly more open to giving more players a chance and they are all showing they can contribute at NT level. Even missing Fullkrug, Havertz and Musiala we still looked quite fluent which is encouraging.

    If we can win v Netherlands we are pretty much qualified.
     
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  3. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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    Chance to cap tie Leweling.
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    I think you guys have the wrong idea.

    I defended Nagelsmann picking Havertz over Fülle at the euros because Havertz is the better all round, hardworking player and fitted with Nagelsmann tactical scheme much better. Also we had old midfielders so needed legs up top defensively. But I agree he didn't score enough.

    I've said all along, the 9 role will go to a mobile, modern guy who delivers - and that will depend on what form players show this season.

    Nagelsmann has the nice situation that Havertz continues to deliver for Arsenal at 9, but also players like Undav are delivering. And you have important players like Gnabry coming back in support roles.

    IMO the loser of all that will probably be Füllkrug who will likely continue to be seen as plan B because Undav is a better fit. And young guys like Adeyemi or Beier can also break in.

    IMO you will continue to see Havertz as a core member of the XI - but i completely agree it might not be at 9 if Undav continues to score like this.
     
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  5. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Thank God, we have moved away from the

    "World Class CF or BUST" mentality that plagued Low+Flick era.

    everyone in Europe make due with non-World Class or Elite CF but we were stuck on that DA BEST or false 9 mentality, no inbetween.

    yeah the efficiency of Fullkrug, Undav etc when given chances shows that this was our biggest mistake from 2018-2024. Imagine 3 back to back coaches making same mistake.

    although Nagelsmann doubled down on Havertz after Euro 2024 QF Exit, one can see that he changed his mind about Havertz at CF last month. And now Havertz's absence is perfect timing to axe any remaining vestige of playing him at CF as the other options are showing to be much more effective and better finishing.
     
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  6. Aderthan

    Aderthan Member+

    Schwarz weiss essen
    Germany
    Nov 17, 2020
    Undav should be a regular starter. Please,please, please ..no more KH7 as CF anymore.
     
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  7. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #732 saj7866, Oct 12, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2024
    Where can Nagglesman play Havertz as a starter if not 9?

    I don't see him playing the CAM position.

    Last night Undav got the headlines and rightfully, but he was playing off Tim kleindhienst who played the CF role brilliantly. Creating space, and showed strength and movement as a classic center forward. And it was Undav who was in the classic 10 position but playing off Tim and it worked brilliantly. I would stick with this with the possibility of musiala for Ganebry.

    -----------------------Tim Kliendienst----------------

    Musiala--------------Undav--------------wirtz--------
     
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  8. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gnabry+Sane might be better off as sub options vs tired legs.
     
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  9. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Ganebry Havertz Fuhrich Gruda sane Beier Fullkrug good bench options.
     
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  10. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gnabry has hardly been impressive as a sub in his career
     
  11. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Adeyemi over Sane, any day...
     
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  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    obligatory Draxler>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone else
     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  14. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Good stuff. Good to have strength in depth, I like the way Naglesmann has clarity in selection and phylosophy, which makes it easy for any new comer coming into the side.
     
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  15. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Baumann, Stiller, Pavlovic, Leweling aka 4 XI debutant vs a rival nation
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  16. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Leweling opens the scoreline. 1-0.
     
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  17. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yesssssssss. What a start. Fantastic move and a cracking finish.
     
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  18. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Ruled offside.
     
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  19. rj123

    rj123 Member+

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And it's offside:(
     
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  20. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Absolutely brilliant so far. We're tormenting the Dutch. Got to take our chances. No doubt in my mind, Pavlovic is the new Kroos
     
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  21. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    when was last time Germany pressed this crazily in any match??? LOL.

    feels like Leweling+Gnabry is what has opened this door.
     
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  22. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The twin of Flo Wirtz doesn't seem very happy.
     
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  23. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Big chance, Leweling should have put it the other side rather then where the defender was.
     
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  24. rj123

    rj123 Member+

    The team with the most German NT players
    Germany
    Nov 21, 2010
    Winnipeg, MB
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Dutch very sloppy.
     
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  25. Brilliant Oranje

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Mar 4, 2023
    Amsterdam and Marbella
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Holy shit, we look terrible :(
     
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