Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

I agree that our front line is our strongest but our midfield is still good enough. Nmecha is BVB's best player and he is linked to many PL teams. Stiller is also a very good midfielder though he had some dip in form but recently he is doing well beside his team mates Undav and Leweling. He was also linked to real madrid last season. Pavlovic is getting better physically and he is the main starter in midfield for Kompany( though I prefer if Bischof gets more minutes in midfield for bayern cuz he is the most talented. Don't forget Quedraogo if he avoids injuries he can play a big role with Nagelsmann ( he should be fit again after international break). It is Nagelsmann's responsibility to know how to deploy his best midfield pairing and hopefully goretzka won't be starting in WC ( I don't mind him being on bench) cuz we have better and more talented players in this position.

 

I disagree the midfield is subpar. Pavlovic and Nmecha are arguably the best 2 midfielders in the BL this season. Nmecha is being linked with Man City. Stiller is also at a very high level and has been linked with Real. Bischof and Ouedraogo also have very high ceilings.

We need to move on from most of the 90's gen, our younger midfielders are potentially good enough to match up against anyone imo.

 

Ouedraogo has hardly played enough football for Leipzig let alone national team. Buli is a poor league and we have seen how good is Nmecha against teams in the champions league. Media hype connecting a player to City or Madrid doesn’t make them good enough. Most of the times media hypes are false and spreaded by their agents. Stiller is not even a regular at Stuttgart these days and no resume for the national team. We will see what Pavlovic does against City in champions league quarter final. He is just decent enough at this moment. Nothing more.

From the likes of Basti, Khedira, Kroos and Gundo what a fall Germany have in central midfield. It looks like another Philip Lahm type of case - no right back even 12 years later after he retired. Now no central midfielder after the golden generation retired

 

I agree at a certain point that our 2014 midfield was better and more experienced than our current one. However , don't forget that in 2014 we were missing Gündogan through injury him and Reus . Both players did not reach their peak due to being injury prone at the time Germany were on top. Kroos at that time was still a big talent at 24 years not more but only after his performance in the WC especially brazil match he made his move to madrid where he became a legend. The most important point was that we had to play the final against favorties Argentine and Messi without khedira and with average Kramer who was injured few min later so we had only Schweinstiger left to face all their stars and he had a historic match back then to lift us the title. Maybe our starting 11 in 2014 were little bit ahead our current ones especially Lahm but Löw was deploying Lahm as midfielder only to put him back as rb after Mustafi's injury forced him to do so. I believe our current bench is much better than in 2014 which could make the difference. So you don't really need a world class player in every position to win a WC but more like good group of players with few stars.

 

https://www.fussballtransfers.com/a6876599981211373331-wm-kandidat-undav-genervt

Striker Deniz Undav feels he's not getting the recognition he deserves. Speaking to Bild, the VfB Stuttgart striker emphasized his quality as a center forward: "What exactly is a center forward? The one who scores. I have the best scoring record, so I don't understand why people talk about other strikers and not me. That my name is always only mentioned as a false nine. I've already said that it gets on my nerves." The 29-year-old has 18 goals and 11 assists this season and wants to go to the World Cup with Germany this summer.

“I’m simply a good, classic striker who can also play as a good number 10. But it’s not my fault that I have that quality. I’m a striker, I score, and I can create chances,” said Undav. Julian Nagelsmann, in a recent interview with ‘kicker’ magazine, also mentioned Kai Havertz and Nick Woltemade as potential strikers for the German national team, but left Undav out of the running. “I haven’t spoken to him since the winter break. He doesn’t need to talk to me. My arguments are on the pitch. That’s what I’m trying to show him. As long as I keep scoring, it’ll be difficult to get past me,” Undav added.

 

love the attitude ... he should go to the World Cup of course , in that form he always is good for goal for the NT - he has my vote 100%

 

Undav is right. He's the most lethal scorer in this German Team. He's alway at the right position, link up well and clinical infront of goals. I think he similar type to Kun Aguero from Man City.

He offers something difference from Nick or Kai, I definitely start him in WC.

 

Late reply.

It's a real shame Gundogan never won a tournament with the NT.

 

Undav can't stop scoring. His 15th goal and 2nd best in BL behind Kane who scored twice the number of goals but 10 of them are penalties. Nagelsmann should find a way to play Undav even if he had to play him behind Woltemade.

 

I wonder where Ger90 is.

 

taking a break hopefully and to be at full force for our world cup

 

Hope so. We miss his postings

 

Undav also has that extra bit of edge/aggression that's needed in tough matches. Proper strikers instinct plus fighting qualities when needed, not gonna get pushed around. I liked his post match interview yesterday.

 

Mhh so we are 3 months away from the World Cup
So our big hope with Wirtz , Musiala, woltemade , havertz and Karl - all of them are currently not yet at their best - Karl and Woltemade seem to have dropped off their initial hype and the other three are not quite back in form where we hoped they should have been …. We can juts hope next three months all of them improve … they will need to if we want to do well …

this opens up chances for Gnabry and Sane … and with Naglesmann betting on Goretska and add Kimmich and Rüdiger this teams is so 2022 … as if nothing has changed ‍♂️

 

Ha so the last game game in 2022 against Costa Rica …. The following players played
Rüdiger , Raum , Kimmich , Sane, Gnabry , Musiala, Havertz and if we add Goretska nothing much has changed in 4 years

 

Sane was a disappointment at Bayern for many years. Galatasaray doesn’t play him either. Rudiger can still contribute and is a good insurance in the back. We need young hungry players though that play well together

 

Well, Rudiger is cooked, he's at best bench player.
Raum, kimmich, gnabry are all playing well, no problem there.
Sane played well last matches, but he's at best bench.
Musiala, Havertz are coming back from injury and are regaining match fitness.
For CF I'd look to Undav, waiting for Burkardt to regain match fitness and then Woltemade.
For CB pairings, Schlotterbeck and Tah would be my first choice. Thaw, Anton as backups.

Not bad, but it will take a good coach to get them to work together properly.