Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by Ger90, May 21, 2024.

  1. GermanLebaneseFan

    Nov 9, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Both are solid and good but not world class. Heinrichs problem is being injury prone. So whoever is a starter at leipzig have big chance to be kimmich's backup in the WC.
     
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  2. GermanLebaneseFan

    Nov 9, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Thiaw scores again a header. His first CL goal. He is our best CB scorer and one of the top CB scorers in Europe. Hopefully Woltemade impresses. He is playing in a different position more like a midfielder than a CF.
     
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  3. Brandko

    Brandko Member+

    Dec 12, 2013
    Seems like most commentary says Woltemade played well in that role, although unfortunate to not see his name on the scoresheet after 6 Newcastle goals
     
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  4. ShadowX

    ShadowX Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Germany
    Sep 7, 2020
    Didn't see the game but zero shots on target, zero key passes, and only 1 shot doesn't suggest a good performance. His passing was good though.
     
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  5. Brandko

    Brandko Member+

    Dec 12, 2013
    Lewelling scored and Undav had 2 assists in Stuttgart's 4-1 win at Celtic
     
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  6. Jordan Khamra

    Jordan Khamra Member

    May 21, 2014
    I saw the highlights only, but none of the highlights had him contributing anything.
     
  7. GermanLebaneseFan

    Nov 9, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Stach with another great performance and MOTM. He scored the only goal from free kick. I think he deserves a look from Nagelsmann for March.
     
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  8. ShadowX

    ShadowX Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Germany
    Sep 7, 2020
    Stach has been phenomenal this season and should definitely be selected for the NT.
     
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  9. ShadowX

    ShadowX Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Germany
    Sep 7, 2020
    Watched Inter again today. Bisseck was really good again. What I particularly like him is his confidence, calm, and seems very alert to counterattacking play. If we are playing a back 4, I would consider him for RB.
     
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  10. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Ahead of Kimmich?
     
  11. ShadowX

    ShadowX Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Germany
    Sep 7, 2020
    Good question. My problem is Kimmich is determined to be #6. Thus his dedication to be a top RB is questionable. How good is his defending is either position against top opposition? I'm not sure. He is still one of our best players so he should be in the starting lineup. One could consider a back 3 with Schlotterbeck-Tah-Bisseck, with Kimmich & Raum as right & left wingbacks.
     
  12. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Germany's experience with back 3s over the past two decades has been very bad. I'm not inclined towards it.
     
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  13. ShadowX

    ShadowX Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Germany
    Sep 7, 2020
    Good point. But that may have because few if any of the CB's at that time were accustomed to that system. Now both Bisseck and Schlotterbeck both play that routinely.
    Not saying we should. Just an idea.
     
  14. Brandko

    Brandko Member+

    Dec 12, 2013
    Undav with his 13th Buli goal of the season
     
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  15. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not sure. We've struggled with a back 3.
    As for kimmichs best Position in the National team. Im pretty certain hes locked in at RB
     
  16. ShadowX

    ShadowX Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Germany
    Sep 7, 2020
    This is really sad. Woltemade played at central attacking midfield today. Zero shots, zero passes, zero aerial duels won, and only 14 touches of the ball.
    I recently watched him against Qarabag and he looked like someone who didn't know how to play football. He struggled to get into the game most times. His teammates seem reluctant to pass to him. There was a time he attempted a simple medium long pass and overhit it badly to put it out. His reaction suggested that his confidence is completely shot.
    After such a good start I'm really disappointed.
     
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  17. marcellsas

    marcellsas Member

    Oct 13, 2014
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    What's really happened to him?
     
  18. ShadowX

    ShadowX Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Germany
    Sep 7, 2020
    In my post above it should read "zero key passes" not 'zero passes'. Apologies.
     
  19. ShadowX

    ShadowX Member

    Borussia Dortmund
    Germany
    Sep 7, 2020
    Not sure. Strikers are confidence players moreso than any other, so things can snowball downhill for them quite severely once things start to go bad.
     
  20. Brandko

    Brandko Member+

    Dec 12, 2013
    Defenders and opposition players also understand the way he plays with more appearances that Woltemade makes in the EPL. So even though he had a hot start, everyone gets better prepared on how to defend him
     
  21. Brandko

    Brandko Member+

    Dec 12, 2013
    Lewelling bagged a brace while Undav scored as well in Stuttgart's 4-0 win vs Wolfsburg
     
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  22. Dage

    Dage Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 4, 2008
    Berlin
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The team start the new year with a lot of question marks. Forwards, a lot of injuries and out of form guys with Undav the only in form forward currently, who had playtime with the team.

    Mifield: Nagelsmann seems to set up his mind on playing Gotretzka, he actively talked about in interviews. :facepalm: with another holding midfielder behind him. Knowing Goretzka and playing with both of Wirtz and Musiala, we will get overrun in midfield for sure.

    Then the poor form of the whole defense, most established central defenders with questionable form. Highly praised talents like Thiaw are still very raw.

    No real hierarchy, a lot of talented but mentally soft players. An overthinking manager who can change team tactics completely from game to game.

    Hands down, it's shocking we again will enter a tournament without a clear first team or a generell game plan. Instead it's a new team every game and the implementation of ever failing ideas like 3-men defense, a weak puzzled midfield and too less width upfront. Everybody seem to stand on each other feet going forward.

    We have so much talent but we are a total mess as a team. Really on the best day we could beat anybody but on a bad day we could get beaten by anybody as well. Not the best prerequisites for a tourney..
     
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  23. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Yeah Nagelsmann's most recent interview hardly filled me with confidence. He seems stuck on starting Goretzka and was pretty disparaging about using a Pavlovic/Nmecha double pivot (imo our best option right now) or Stach's chances of a call up.
     
  24. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm sorry, but this is utter bs from Nagelsmann. Just look at Stach's performances this season, as well as his stats in duals/aerial duals/successful tackles etc, in what is a high intensity and physical league. Not saying he should be a starter but to be so dismissive of him seems bizarre, especially given how players like Goretzka and Gnabry seem guaranteed a place however they perform.

     
  25. dips82

    dips82 Member+

    Oct 11, 2013
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Germany’s only hope of doing anything decent in the World Cup is form of the front attackers and form of the center backs
    Whether Nagelsmann plays Goretzka or Nmecha or Stiller or Andrich with Pavlovic in midfield is immaterial as the 2 man midfield is still going to be super weak against a top team. The tactics should be somehow pass the ball to Musi/Flo/Kai and let them do magic with Undav or Woltemade upfront. Then you have Karl, Lewling off the bench to do some damage

    The current central midfield pool of Germany is weakest in 22 years. Pavlovic is barely decent and the others are just subpar
     
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