Germany's Quest to Not Embarrass Itself, the WC26+NL24-25 Thread

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  1. GermanLebaneseFan

    GermanLebaneseFan Member

    Nov 9, 2012
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    #2701 GermanLebaneseFan, Dec 8, 2025
    True we had a very strong starting lineup but our bench currently has more depth especially in terms of strikers though it was schürrle and götze who made the difference at the right time in 2014 (algeria and argentine).
     
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  2. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    #2702 The Jitty Slitter, Dec 8, 2025
    Like Goetze wasn't even a starter in that side, and Reus and Gundogan didn't even make the squad due to injury
     
  3. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2703 Cris 09, Dec 8, 2025
    Not only did Ecuador finish 2nd, they also did it despite serving a 3 pt deduction (-3) at the beginning to the 2026 qualifiers by CONMEBOL due to fielding an illegible player (Byron Castillo who had falsified a passport) in the previous (2022) WCQ cycle.
     
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  4. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2704 Alex C, Dec 8, 2025
    We don't quite have the quality of 2014, (although guys like Wirtz, Musiala, Woltemade & Karl have the potential to reach those levels), but like you say we have more depth/options and a coach who seems slightly more willing to call up players who fulfill specific roles, especially up front, who aren't necessarily deemed as elite/world class.
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    #2705 The Jitty Slitter, Dec 8, 2025
    The main difference is a lot of the 2014 generation came through an important cycle starting from 2008/10 where they learned a lot and became leading players at major teams.

    e.g Ozil, Mueller, Schweini, Lahm, Neuer, Khedira, Boateng, Podolski were all important players in '10 and were part of the 2012 disaster. Kroos & Hummels emerged a bit later - and experienced the disaster of 2012). Many of them won the treble in '13. So the whole squad was really perfectly aged and experienced in '14

    I wonder if this tournament doesn't come a couple of years too early for this group
     
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  6. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2706 Alex C, Dec 8, 2025
    It feels a bit like WC2010. We could produce a big performance and knock out a team like France in the last 16, but we won't likely go past the SF at best.

    For me the main thing is we start to see some actual progress in our rebuild, with a clear identity. The Euro was a start but we seem to have regressed a bit since then.
     
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  7. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2707 MatthausSammer, Dec 8, 2025
    The build at the EUROs was centered around a lot of players that couldn't keep moving forward like Kroos, Andrich, and Gundogan. Need to see a more cohesive midfield than we've seen to this point since then.
     
  8. squidward123

    squidward123 New Member

    Washington Redskins
    United States
    Dec 8, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2708 squidward123, Dec 9, 2025
    Can't they find a reliable passport forger in Quito anymore? What's the town coming to....
     
  9. squidward123

    squidward123 New Member

    Washington Redskins
    United States
    Dec 8, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2709 squidward123, Dec 9, 2025
    Good analysis....if slightly besides the point.

    I think that Germany could surprise everyone and win the tournament. There are no national teams who have established themselves over several years, like the Germany team of 2006-2014 had. There isn't the need for it, because the game is much softer than even during that period, and it isn't necessary to develop a toughness over time. I think Argentina will most probably win the tournament, but Germany is the second favourite. England does have a very good team, but nobody wants to see them end their 60-year wait for a major title with a German coach.
     
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  10. saj7866

    saj7866 Member+

    Dortmund
    Germany
    May 10, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2710 saj7866, Dec 9, 2025
    Karl scores another cracking goal for Bayern to make it 2-1!
     
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  11. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    #2711 The Jitty Slitter, Dec 9, 2025
    Welcome back!
     
  12. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2712 Ger90, Dec 9, 2025
    fantastic 1st touch and finish!!!!

    crazy to see how he could have had
    3 goals and 1 assist today.

    had that goalazo ruled out in 1st 5 min, cough ROBBED cough later on had a fantastic solo run where he dribbled past 2 and almost scored in the 44th. Also almost assisted Hawwy but he had a weak attempt where he should have scored.

    this kid when in XI, always feels like not far off from bagging 1-3 goals per match, LOL.



    also, LOL, Uzun is German dev too but look at El Mala!!!! How long until Karl goes upward the table.
     
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  13. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2713 Ger90, Dec 9, 2025
    also its high time Urbig benches Neuer.

    I really hope that Neuer retires in Summer.

    Urbig continues to impress whenever he plays and feels like he's better than current Neuer too. Stop robbing the kid's dev with an old has been who should move on.

    Urbig will only get better and better the more consistent XI game time.
     
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  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2714 Ger90, Dec 9, 2025
    Karl>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Salah


    Nagelsmann is gonna struggle to leave out players like Karl+El Mala for WC26.
     
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  15. squidward123

    squidward123 New Member

    Washington Redskins
    United States
    Dec 8, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2715 squidward123, Dec 9, 2025
    Thanks, I guess :)
     
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  16. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2716 Ger90, Dec 9, 2025
    "England does have a very good team, but nobody wants to see them end their 60-year wait for a major title with a German coach."

    LMAO, wrong, if Pengland end their comedic 60 years drought we will always have dirt on them with fact that a German coach, a German dev coach, bailed them out of their embarrassment, so would be a German W, LMAO.
     
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  17. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2717 Ger90, Dec 9, 2025
    Karl 3 CL XIs=3 CL Goals=Scoring in 3/3 matches=2/3 MOTM


    the only match he wasn't MOTM was against Arsenal but reality had he scored that chance after he dribbled past the D and went solo 1v1 he might very well have bagged a MOTM even in that L match for Bayern!!!
     
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  18. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2718 MatthausSammer, Dec 9, 2025
    I really hope Nagelsmann at least brings Karl.

    EDIT: Side note, I felt very old today because I looked at the Sporting lineup, saw "L. Suarez" and thought "Luis Suarez (Uruguay) is still playing at Sporting?!" but no it's a different Luis Suarez.
     
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  19. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    #2719 BVBFNM, Dec 9, 2025
    I was thinking the exact same thing.

    However, England have one fact going against them: No country has ever won a World Cup with a foreign coach, which also rules out Brazil and Portugal if you ask me.
     
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  20. squidward123

    squidward123 New Member

    Washington Redskins
    United States
    Dec 8, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2720 squidward123, Dec 9, 2025
    The most important, for me, was Oezil. It's not been the same for the team since they chased Oezil out in 2018. Not enough people within the team and staff supported him.
     
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  21. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    #2721 BVBFNM, Dec 9, 2025
    Özil's talent lay in the fact that you didn't know what he was doing when you saw him playing, but if you took him out the team performance dropped drastically.
     
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  22. squidward123

    squidward123 New Member

    Washington Redskins
    United States
    Dec 8, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2722 squidward123, Dec 9, 2025
    As long as it's with a German in charge, doing the press conferences after the match and from 10. Downing Street in a thick German accent, it would pretty much cancel out any win.
     
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  23. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2723 Ger90, Dec 9, 2025
    he won't be able to ignore Karl due to fact that he brokethrough Bayern XI and has made himself a regular and scoring every CL XI match too. Like coaches like him will make excuses to NOT call up someone but when its a club like Bayern his hands will be forced. What will be his excuses anyways? Call up Turkey Sane or Leweling or Amiri or whoever is lesser player instead, LOL.

    as I mentioned he could have bagged a hat trick today too.

    what's more interesting to note is how Karl still restrains his play a LOT. Everytime he goes on solo runs he constantly shows how deadly he is but feels like he mostly plays with more restraint approach. Likely due to age, "be a team player" etc type issue. Its also issue that coaches get pissed at losing the ball so at this stage risking your XI spot is not worth it. Once he gets older and is allowed more free reign, could be even more interesting player to watch his dev.

    also what everyone here wants to see
    Karl+Musiala COMBO which would also push Gnabry to the bench tbh.
     
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  24. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2724 Ger90, Dec 9, 2025
    its not the same team sans/post Ozil because we killed our ONLY creative player on the team.

    Wirtz has been showing more and more playmaking work in recent NT games but for a long time we had 0 AM/W who did any of the creative play and thus ended up as a static team.

    with next gen players in AM/W, we seem to have everything
    fast players, creative players, direct players, dribbling solo players.

    of course some are more than 1 aspect on a whole from these 4 categories.

    exactly what a NT needs more variety in attack.

    NT was messy in attack because we were all over place.

    frick fast players aka Werner was only fast player for ages, frick creative players aka post Ozil, frick direct players post Schurrle we want elite players, frick dribbling they lose the ball,

    LMAO

    and the Golden one,
    Frick CFs, LULZ.
     
  25. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #2725 MatthausSammer, Dec 9, 2025
    Woltemade, Karl, Musiala, and Wirtz would be a dynamic attacking quartet to build the next great Germany team around.
     
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