Germany - Sweden /-- 23 June -- 2nd Group Game

Discussion in 'Germany: National Teams' started by White/Blue_since1860, Jun 17, 2018.

  1. White/Blue_since1860

    proudly banned from 5 sub forums
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Now the Swedes know how you feel when you almost finished building a wardrobe and you realize there is a screw missing
     
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  2. White/Blue_since1860

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    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  3. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    4-2-3-1 is fine in qualifiers when you have a bunch of minnows or friendlies. But for tournaments, we do better the more bodies we have in the middle. Even the last WC, our trio of Khedira, Kroos, and Basti made a difference.

    controlling the midfield is more important, also would make it harder for teams to slice through our defense. Rudy wasn't Khedira he actually stayed behind to help the defense. Swedish goal also happened around the time Rudy was subbed out.

    Rudy subbed out 31st minute
    Swedish goal 32nd minute

    coincidence?
     
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  4. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    That was one of the most satisfying wins, not because of an amazing performance but because of the spirit and determination. This is the Germany I want to see, fighting hard to the end in adversity and not giving up.

    i will watch that goal from Kroos many times, one of those spectacular moments that make football great. Sweden were timewasting cheats, they deserve to go home.
     
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  5. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Our defence was relatively shaky even when Rudy was on the field, but yeah when he went off we lost control and then the Swedes took advantage of the extra momentum while Ilklay was still trying to get a handle on being in the game.
     
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  6. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    it was shaky because Low was still playing with 4-2-3-1. But in Gundo or Goretzka with Rudy/Kroos and it would be different story. Draxler was the waste of space who's spot could have been used instead.
     
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  7. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    When will he become captain? ;)
     
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  8. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's only a matter of time before we're eliminated if we continue to use the 4-2-3-1. Schweinsteiger was the piece that made that formation work, and as good as Kroos is, he's a different animal from Bastian.
     
  9. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    lol, if Low is done max by 2022 WC. I think it won't ever happen. Some of the older players could still be present by then who could overtake him in the pecking order.

    he's got no business in the NT to begin with. Would be the most useless captain we've ever had.
     
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  10. andydippy

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    Oct 11, 2015
    Club:
    Kilmarnock FC
    imagine forward 4 of
    brandt reus sane
    werner
     
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  11. Rosebud

    Rosebud Member+

    Aug 5, 2012
    Chicago, IL, USA
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    If we replace Jogi, these could be our 2020 EM winners

    Werner
    Brandt - Dahoud* - Havertz* - Sane
    Geiger/Weigl
    Itter - Tah/Kehrer - Süle - Kimmich
    ter Stegen

    *Goretzka / Amiri / Demirbay / Meyer​
     
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  12. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    The worst of the bunch IMO are Latin American sports media. Ever since I've been following WCs and ECs they've been rooting against the German NT and are always writing them off in the weeks prior to such tournaments, despite being the most consistent NT in international football history and usually making deep runs. Same story at club level, case in point being the 1997 UEFA Champions League Final, which is perhaps the least discussed of all the UCL Finals, and on the very few occasions they talk about it, it's all about how could Juventus have lost that final, as if BVB was some kind amateur league club that lucked its way into the final, ignoring the fact that many of its players were World Champions and more recently had won the Euro the previous year, and were being captained by reigning Ballon d'Or Matthias Sammer.
     
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  13. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    BTW is this the first time Germany win a tournament match after conceding first under Löw? One of my biggest criticisms of Löw's tenure at the German NT is that every time the opposing team scored first Germany would usually lose the match or in the best of cases salvage a draw. This was made evident last World Cup where Germany was fortunate enough to score first.

    Today I finally saw that win-at-all-costs mentality under Löw.
     
  14. Ger90

    Ger90 Member+

    May 13, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    also had Ottmar Hitzelfd, one of the best German club coaches at the helm of Dortmund. Latin American seem to favor Spain and Italy, mostly out of descent and because a lot of their players play in those leagues. While are likely not to give a crap about 1BL, none of the best South American players ever play in Germany. We tend to overall have the lesser ones.

    doesn't helped we recently trashed Brazil 7-1 at home and we knocked out Argentina in 3 consecutive WCs.

    yeah this is the 1st competitive comeback win by Low. Always been an issue under him. If we concede 1st we are likely out, as he has no plan B.

    his plan B is actually put in as many attacking players as possible and hope someone will score.
     
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  15. Berchtesgaden

    Berchtesgaden Member+

    May 18, 2011
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Attitude reflect leadership

    I saw that today. We all wonder what Loew is thinking sometimes, but today he walked the walk

    Down a player 8 plus minutes from a draw. What does he chose -play for 3rd round and hope- nope - pull a defender and play with only 2.

    I don’t care how good or bad people think Sweden is at this cup. It’s still the World Cup. Excuse the crudeness, but Loew has a big brass set of balls. His faith carried over into the team. He isn’t perfect but damn

    Don’t flinch. He didn’t and neither did we.
     
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  16. AllReD

    AllReD Member+

    Oct 26, 2005
    @ The Cocaine and Herbal Viagra Expo
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Loew has taken his tactical incompetence to levels Pep Guardiola can only dream of.

    I submit to you Exhibit A:


    IMG_20180623_211915.jpg

    I rest my case your Honor.
     
  17. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The winning midfield for me is kroos, Rudy and Gundogan. Full of class, intelligence and balance.
     
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  18. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I agree and I'm glad Gündoğan won you over. You didn't seem high on him to start this WC.
     
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  19. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I could be wrong, but is Boateng suspended for South Korea? I think so, but I'm not sure.
     
  20. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I don’t like him in a double 6 midfield. I want to see rudy as a 6 and kroos and gundog playing a double 8.
     
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  21. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    He is.

    Probably will see Süle and Rüdiger.
     
  22. nekkibasara

    nekkibasara Member+

    Apr 12, 2004
    Fairfax, Virginia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I know people are criticizing boa, but I think he was a beast today.

    When we were out of ideas he was the one taking the initiative.

    His tactical foul for the first yellow probably saved a goal.

    The red was a bad decision, but you can forgive that with how hard he was pushing for that win.
     
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  23. LegendarySunrise

    Jan 26, 2016
    New York
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Germany has to drop Ozil and Khedira and play 433 if they want to progress further in this competition. Khedira has declined so much physically in the last few years that he is now a defense liability to our team.
    Whereas Ozil never defends, he hardly covers any ground in the midfield and the linkage between him and Kroos is too weak. Ozil just watches players run past him every time like a passenger, It may seem fine and acceptable in the era of Bergkamp, Roberto Baggio or Totti, but in today’s football, ever midfielder has to defend, has to track back and has to work hard to cover enough ground to minimize the danger for defense. Just look at James Rodriguez since he arrived in Bayern, Modric or De Bryune, they have all transitioned from traditional attacking midfielders to all rounded central midfielders who participate in their team’s defense and track back.

    I was so terrified by the defense and lack of physical prescence in the Germany midfield in the game vs Mexico. Also, this Germany team is far too dependent on Kroos, if he is marked tightly like in the game vs Mexico or first half against Sweden, then we are pretty much done.

    Given that we no longer have a player with leadership and physical prescence in the midfield, let say prime Ballack or Schweinteiger, we need to put more bodies in the midfield, Low needs to consider shifting from 4231 to 433 to create more balance between attack and defense and currently this is the lineup I have on my mind:

    Reus-Gomez-Müller/Brandt

    Kroos-Goretzka-Gundogan

    Hector-Hummers-Boateng-Kimmich

    Neuer

    Under this formation, Gundogan’s presence in the midfield can help Kroos dictate the possession in the midfield and release him from the pressure in build up when Kroos is being pressed by the opponent. Also, Gundogan defends better and covers more ground than Ozil. Goretzka plays behind Gundogan and Kroos and serves as a balance between attack and defense.

    Because we don’t have a midfielder that can match Ballack and schweinsteiger’s physical prescence in the midfield, we need to choose midfielders that maxmimize our possession advantage, cover the most ground and has a high work rate.
     
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  24. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    We'd better see Sülè and Rüdiger. Gïnter isn't NT-calibre.
     
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  25. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Boateng has felt clunky and rash throughout this WC. I presume it's because he recognizes there isn't a lot of help defence for him to rely on in this setup, but he's been ultra-aggressive and fouling a lot. That one shove in the back on the break was a stone-cold penalty that he got away with. Having said that, his aggression on the ball has been appreciated.
     
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