when i said us...i didn't mean just Freiburg, it's what i noticed from German fans i've talked to all over the country and what are you saying? i'm sick of your prejedice against Freiburg fans. Freiburg used to get 10 000 away fans EVERY ********ing match, 20 000 for close matches!!! (that might even be better than Frankfurt...) you really don't know what you are saying...I think you are basing your knowledge from the last 3 years which is unfair...The team used to be just like Mainz in terms of support (just a lot bigger) Obviously those "glory days" as Freiburg fans call them are long dead...the scene is improving at least....it just doesn't help that most of our Ultras are banned until 09 anyways...you really should watch some movies of Freiburg's history before you make such comments. When i was in Freiburg, i watched several and it's really depressing to see scenes of the 90's and compare that to today.