German National Team News & Discussion Thread - EURO 2012 & Beyond [R] II

Hummels a no-go in midfield. Too heavy and slow for single holding role.

Maybe a Martinez-esque role a la Bayern.


------------------------------Neuer

-------------Mertesacker---Hummels---Boateng

-----------------<<<Lahm------Grosskreutz>>>
-----------------------------Kroos

--------------------<<<Müller-----Özil>>>
-------------------<<<Götze-------Reus>>>

 

Combination of Lahm, KG, Reus, Müller presumably.

 

Those are only 9 field players so do we have weidenfeller and neuer in goal heheheh

 

Best line up

 

Kicker rated Boateng a 2 , only Robben and Martinez scored better then him 1.5 and 1 respectively ! At BVB hummels scored the best with a 1.5 ... So Boateng definitely played well

 

I feel like 3-6-1 can be a very defensive approach. I like it more in knockout stage.

----------Neuer
---Boa---Merte--Hummels
-Lahm-------------------Schmelzer
-------Kroos---Schweini-
--Mueller--Oezil----Reus

Kroos and Schweini can play together as this time we have 5 defenders behind them. Lahm and Schmezler can be flexible at defense or in midfield.

Still need Schmelzer to provide some width from the left, always prefer a lefty

If things don't work out with a false 9, we need someone towering like Lasogga to provide some diversification

 

Yep, those guys at fcbayerncentral said that Boateng made 16 clearances and two interceptions, and then there's that assist too, wouldn't mind him as the backup RB too if necessary.

 

How many titles has Loew won? I forget.

Can we please stop using "what Pep did" as a basis for any argument? If the guy won the CL -- and had won the Pokal in convincing fashion and not as a result of a blown referee call -- then you would have a basis to follow Pep's forumula. Right now Pep's formula is suspect at best.

 

Agreed to a certain point..anyhow I still think that it's possibly a solution to field hummels boa and merte at the back .. We need to stabilise our defence . And if you look at del bosque he has changed his tactical formation through out a tournament and sometimes made the best of what current players he had available .. He did ok didn't he? Just saying there is nothing wrong with trying out a new tactical formation even if not tried properly .. Look the guys have hardly played together for the last 6 months so what ever jogi does new in the next 5-6 weeks is ok.

So what if jogi has not won anything , neither have many other coaches always a first time ... You can't use that as an excuse !

 

Agreed. But that is typically not done by moving guys out of their natural positions and changing formations and changing tactics and, and, and...all at the same time. That is a recipe for failure. Add to that the condition of the players, pressure on them and mental state right now and it simply is not the best idea.

Look what he had to work with. There is a big difference.

Fair enough and good point. However, given all the other crap going on...and knowing German players as we do...change is not always adapted to like it is on other teams.

Sure you can. Loew has been criticized for quite a while for being stale in his thinking, substitutions, player selection and other areas. If you have a guy who has a Ferrari but fails to win any races, at some point you cannot continue to blame the car. At some point the blame falls to the driver, no?

 

The defense won't stabilise by playing three centre backs who aren't used to that formation at all. Just because Guardiola got lucky on Saturday (had Hummels legit goal not been stolen Bayern probably would have lost after 90 minutes) doesn't mean Germany immediately has to copy him. Juventus never achieved anything in the CL with their three at the back system. For teams with fast wingers it's way too easy to get through.

What will stabilise the defense is a real defensive midfielder. Not Khedira running around in the attack where he isn't good enough to help anyway. There is always a huge empty space beween the midfield and the defenders. No one intercepts the opponents running directly at the centre backs who are then forced into dangerous one on one situations. One of those will inevitably be lost at some point.

Löw needs to organise the team better so that all players defend as a unit and no one gets caught alone without support. Even Özil will have to work for a change or else he can sit on the bench. Simply fielding more defenders won't change anything.

 

So Guardiola got lucky. Oh dear...

And ignorant to compare Juve's three man backline to Bayern since both teams approach football completely differently.

 

ROFL...so winning a cup on a blown call is now not called lucky? Oh dear...

 

Did anyone watch the ********ing game??

If anyone thinks the entire game was just a matter of goal disallowed, then I don't know what to tell you..

The 3 man back line with Martinez as the libero (DM).

Looked more solid at the back and stifled bvb more then I have ever seen bayern do all year long, or even further back. They have never looked so defensively stable and even if they did lose it. It's about what was happening.

People also forget they had MANY missing players that day. We had half fit ribery barely breathing by the end.

BUT NO, it's all about the disallowed goal....

 

Wake up Dhajj. Martinez should have gotten two yellow cards for persistent fouling throughout the match. Try that at the world cup without a bayern-shirt on. Tis, just like your pre-match prediction, is off....

 

It's about a disallowed goal, cautions not given which may have lead to sending offs, fouls in the box (on Lewa and Pizchek) not given and a few other issues. Seriously, had Bayern been the recipient of such poor calls and BVB been the benefactor are you telling me Dhajj that you and the other Bayern fans wouldn't be bitching your heads off? Please.

Regardless of Pep's tactics, had those calls been made the score would have never been 0-2...it would have been 2-0 against a 10-man Bayern squad.

 

Tell that to the 1966 German team.

 

Completely hypothetical, but I would like Loew to try 5-4-1, with Podolski at LWB, don't think he can be any worse than Schmelzer and we need a lefty at the wing. May be the main source of providing width


-------------------Neuer
------Boateng-Mertesacker-Hummels
-Lahm-----------------------------Podolski
-------Schweinisteiger-Kroos
-Mueller----------Oezil----------Reus


If Hummels can play like a Libero, Schweini n Kroos will be enough. Or else too many defensive players in the lineup.

 

---------------------Neuer
-----Boateng--Mertesacker--Hummels
-Lahm-----------------------------Podolski
------------Schweini---Kroos
--Mueller---------Oezil------------Reus


With Hummels rotating between CB n DM

Left back they prefer a lefty. N I would try Podolski there as he is strong, experienced and has a good long stot. Defensively he needs to be tested but he has the physique and stamina

Would like a backup targetman like Lasogga, Kiessling or Gomez for different approach and diversification. We need alternatives against different opponents. In case false 9 fails, we need other options.