German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

2014 the last time Germany would produce a u20 winning side, or even a top 4 finish. It's only balanced by this year finally seeing a new generation of youth talent brought into the senior team, establishing a new strong core of players to lead the side for the next decade.

It means I don't know how important it is for Germany to continue high placings in this tournament anymore (the next few cycles), but I still feel like it would be a mistake for Germany to get into a habit of allowing mediocre teams to show up to u20 WC's.

Küver, Brand, Oberdorf, the key players from this generation who will be strong senior wnt additions. It's hard to say this cycle hasn't already done it's job, even if this team nowhere near the previous standards...; but I'd still like to see Germany try to send tournament winning level teams to FIFA's big events.

 

Wait, so Babett Peter’s coaching this team?

 

Kathrin Peter... now an 8 Time Frauen-Bundesliga Champion, 7 Time DFB Pokal winner, 1 Time UWCL winner. Who also holds international accomplishments of 1 WWC winners medal, a Euro championship winners medal, alongside Bronze and Gold Olympic medals.

Who's this Babett Peter person....

 

A facial injury suffered during the game Vs New Zealand, will force Wamser to miss the remainder of Germany's U20 WWC.

No details if this will also force her to miss the start of Frankfurt's season. But despite her still highly erratic performances as a winger, I remain intrigued by Wamser's future potential as a club level FW...

 

@hotjam2 I don't believe UEFA's reps have sent their best possible teams to this years u20 WC. But I see the Netherland's somehow beat USA 3-0...

I'm not convinced by the standard of this tournament compared to past events, and don't know anything about the USwnt either. But I'm pretty sure I warned you about your initial celebrations seeing UEFA's reps start so badly...

"as is Euro sucked in their first round games 3 losses/1 draw(but keep on giving your Euro analysis in what works at u20, lol"

 

And this latest 'Whataboutism' still doesn't work lol, as your point on weaker senior wnt's having strong junior programs, isn't information everyone didn't already understand; with your ideas on what qualifies Asian countries as 3rd world in women's sport, completely irrelevant to my initial point on UEFA's obvious strength at this age group too.

This a subject much broader than you make it seem... I'm only going to address the more obvious fact here, that democratic-industrialized nations, within the American arena of influence, aren't the only places elite female athletes can exist.

But trying to place nations like South Korea, Australia, Japan, in the same arena of less developed nations in women's sport (pro sports) as Ghana, or Nigeria...

 

You still haven't even seen them play... all you've done is say everything looks great having watched two curated highlight packages, believing this fraction of information magically allows you to make huge assertions opposing anything I'm saying lol.

But I know what strong German wnt's will typically look like, even praising the u19's style of play, despite their highly underwhelming group stage Euro's exit. And in this tournament, I've so far only seen these players involved in two surprisingly low quality matches of football, where yet again it's lead to the same poor debate concerning physicality arise...

Germany would have 306 passes, compared to New Zealand's 256 lol. But someone who didn't even see anything beyond highlights, is going to tell me I'm wrong about the tactical negatives I'm highlighting, for a wnt program known to be rather ineffective in battles of kick chase, or 1v1 themed football...

 

OK... so I'm on the right path believing this tournaments extended delay, producing a lower standard of play than what we're typically used to seeing at u20 WC's...

So lets see if Peter can finally remember she still has a UWCL experienced CAM in Corley, and Bundesliga regular winger in Sternad both needlessly sat on her bench. As what I've seen, quicker decision making, and basic execution, a real problem these two players could definitely help solve in the attacking third of the field.

 

You made me look at the list lol...

I don't know a lot about Rodman... but I guess if Oshoala's always impressive speed but rather limited technique allowed her to be on this list, why not Rodman for doing.... soooomething... impressive... mayyyyybe, lol...

Not a major surprise to me... her career defined by constant injury. This is why MVT shouldn't get comfortable with having established players being the only options for her team.

 

The senior teams very recent success, had no help from a very unstable 5 years of incredibly poor leadership of this program, negatively effecting it's various world class talents.

I can't remember who I recently discussed this same point with... but look how long it's taken for a lot of the current squad filled with highly successful former junior internationals, to finally display a series of world class performances for the senior team...

The global pandemic means this current u20 cycle is disjointed from the typical trends. But I think it's still fair to compare this current u20 side with players we've all seen within MVT's new system wide 4-3-3.

 

What you forget is prior to this, Germany also produced 3 consecutive u20 WC finalist level groupings of talent; meaning an off year where Freigang, Schüller, the only prominent names we see, probably a very reasonable after effect, given the resources it takes to create one strong team for this age group.

2017 would go on to produce a much stronger core of names, featuring Leitzig, Linder, Kleinherne, Feldkamp, Pawollek, Fellhauer... and then follow that through to an 2018 WC side adding Nüsken, Gwinn, Hechler, Bühl, Oberdorf, but surprisingly underwhelm as a very talented but confusing side.

Even with hindsight, it was easy to tell which teams will generally include the most talent. And right now, the 4 year gap appears to have denied various teams a significantly stronger core of players for this latest u20 event.

 

LOL... unimportant... It should be pretty clear without the u-19/20 tournament cycle, Germany's senior team in A LOT more trouble right now with the poor leadership it's had over a recent number of years.

To come out on the other side of a late career Neid, a horribly novice Jones, an interim Hrubesch, with a frustrating Euro final defeat, and an exciting new look team in prime position to be the best in Europe for a number of years...You think this happens without Germany's players having a consistent success rate at u19/20 level..?

 

Japan, China, Korea DPR, have defined the history of this tournament far more than African nations ever have (Africa having won a total... ZERO WC's). The idea their democratic process needing to more closely reflect American ideals, before it can be considered relevant, not making any sense, when you fully grasp the amount of success they've obtained doing things their own way.

I mean, Australia part of the AFC basically doing things the America way, nowhere near the standards set by these so called awful 3rd world east Asian nations...

 

No... I think what Corley is suffering here, typically called fatigue lol...

She's not injured right now, but simply being left out of the starting 11, by a coach who's either unware, or confused, why her team might be struggling in areas of composure/decision making, continuing to select various players still stuck in 2. Bundesliga football.

This team has more important issues to fix, but seeing Mattner, or Vobian, starting ahead of Bundesliga regulars....

 

Only to see the always contrarian hotjam2 say...

 

I didn't see the defeat to Mexico, as I already knew what was about to happen. To me this latest group of u20 German players, not only forming the worst German u20 side I've ever witnessed, but probably also part of the worst collection of quality teams I've ever seen at a u20 WWC too.

Yes... I know Peter another new junior team coach introduced to the DFB, but I have a hard time believing France, Spain, and the Netherland's, could all handle a u19 Euro, and a u20 WC, happening in the same year, while Germany couldn't..

Europe's reps for this years u20 WC chosen thanks to a 2020/21 UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship coefficient ranking list; yet again, I have to ask questions towards the nature of Germany's player analysis here, allowing them to construct a side so far below the standards of Europe's/world's other representatives, in a competition they posses a ridiculously impressive history...

 

It needs to be said, both Peter's u19/20 teams would appear eerily similar to MVT's teams prior the Euro's; where we'd see poor tactical application, producing consistently low quality performances as the norm for otherwise strong players, forced into roles they don't like, or can't perform.

From not understand Wamser's obvious attributes as a forward in a team lacking a #9, not grasping the need for 4-3-3 using a higher quality CAM like Corley to help apply smooth transitions to attacking moves, or not establishing a compact system for all her players to operate within.

Peter's u20 team appearing physically weak, technically inferior, and tactically flawed, against some of weakest opposition they could have faced lol. It was just like seeing MTV's seniors struggling again, at it's peak somehow being bad enough to lose to Serbia....

 

I see all of UEFA reps beyond hotjam2's genuinely impressive Germany, made it past the u20's group stage lol... Looking at Peter's options for this tournament though, I still find it really strange seeing such a uniquely bad side, allowed to be on the field at this latest u20 event.

Strong options like Küver, Schiemann, Pollak, all left out of the final 23, but I can't understand why Peter didn't even contemplate a more mature, potentially cohesive side like this...
Sternad ----- Wamser -------- Zicai
----------------- Corley --------------------
---------- Gräwe ---- Weiduer ------------
Hils ---- Diehm ----- Steck ---- Zimmer
Peter selecting players from her u19 team ahead of more mature options, and randomly ignoring her squads blatant lack of a legit #9 too; there's no justification for seeing the same incredibly poor player analysis of the senior wnt, to show its face again but now within the u19/20 program....

 

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Ann-Katrin Berger has cancer again.

Official Statement pic.twitter.com/o6Hg4mijX0

— Ann-Katrin Berger (@berger_ann) August 23, 2022

 

I typically leave athlete's private lives out of the everyday rotation of online discussion... but without knowing her personally, I'll say f*ck Cancer, and hope she'll return to full health for her family and friends.