German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Lotta Wrede was selected by Behringer to be part of the latest u19 squad...:(:thumbsdown:

    In my opinion this honestly such as waste of everyone's time, as Wrede's league form suggests she more than ready to be part of the u23's, or senior wnt.

    And having seen how bad Behringer's u19 look, it also makes no sense for Wrede to remian within an age group she's likely to learn absolutely nothing to help her progess towards the older age groups...:confused:

    Yes.... Wrede is still only 17. But we've seen a host of elite teenagers start for the senior wnt; and right now while Oberdorf injured, with Lohmann semi retired... there's simply no other box to box CM in German women's football as effective as Wrede.

    For a senior team in desperate need of upgrading it's mid-field, and attacking options, Wrede should have just been left out of the u19's, to only rejoin this age group if they somehow qualify for a u20 WC.
     
  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wrede the only u19 player with any kind of genuine claim to be part of u23 or senior teams right now.

    The rest of the u19 squad comprised of players who don't even start for their clubs regularly, while Wrede starting every game for HSV, producing performances that place her among the leagues very best.

    So I feel 100% sure in saying their not selecting Wrede for the simple fact of her still being 17...:thumbsdown:, but knowing she's just going to be wasting at least 1 or 2 more years stuck in bad Behringer teams is so disappointing.
     
  3. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    It’s understandable that Lohmann didn’t care to post the new NT selections(since Lohmann didn’t get picked. Probably right now Batfink tearing his hair out since his beloved Lotta didn’t get picked either. So here it is, though kinda disappointed myself that no new names on it, but guessing Wuck is taking Norway more serious. My new picks would of been Bender & Baum
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  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
  5. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    auf Abruf
    Rafaela Borggräfe 05.03.2000 Bayer Leverkusen 0 0
    Laura-Johanna Dick 13.06.2003 TSG Hoffenheim 0 0
    Vanessa Diehm 22.03.2004 TSG Hoffenheim 0 0
    Estrella Merino Gonzalez 19.11.2006 Bayer Leverkusen 0 0
    Paulina Krumbiegel 27.10.2000 Juventus Turin 11 4
    Sydney Lohmann 19.06.2000 Manchester City 44 6
    Larissa Mühlhaus 13.01.2003 SV Werder Bremen 0 0
    Katharina Piljic 05.09.2003 Bayer Leverkusen 0 0
    Jella Veit 03.05.2005 Eintracht Frankfurt 0 0
    Sophie Weidauer 10.02.2002 1. FC Union Berlin 0
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #7556 Batfink, Feb 17, 2026
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2026
    Wück's objective: "It's clear that we want to consolidate what we've started. We want to further close the gap to Spain and the other top nations."

    And the plan is to accomplish this with various players who aren't even the best players in their own nation...:rolleyes:

    Wück's objective: "We've come a long way in our development and want to take the next steps. I said at the beginning of my tenure that the first steps would be visible quickly."

    Except the progress has been slow, and painful, in regards to the poor results, and largely underwhelming football we've witnessed.

    Wück talks about the squad: "We want to restore the players' confidence. We established a good foundation last year. We won't be inviting so many new players all at once, but will gradually try something new."

    This sounds more like him wanting to restore his own confidence after trying various tactics that never produced the desired effect Vs stronger wnt's like Sweden, France, or Spain.

    Wück talks about the squad: "Vivien Endemann, for example, is part of the squad; she's taken the next steps in her development in Wolfsburg"

    ...:ROFLMAO: Pure nonsense and lies. Endemann has struggled within a poor Wolfsburg side this season, as every players inclusion continues not to be based on actual club form.

    Wück talks about his WSL players: "Lea Schüller will continue to develop physically and athletically, both on and off the ball. Her move will do her good; she'll take the next step in England."

    You don't even have to watch her games in England to understand why this entire opinion completely invalid lol...:laugh:

    And he makes no mention of Martinez, or Lohmann, because he knows WSL hype has done absolutely nothing to actually improve any of his players lol.

    Oh... and this with Martinez doing nothing we haven't seen her do in the 1.Bundesliga, while she remains inconsistent for a soon to be relegated West Ham.

    Wück talks about Selina Cerci: "I don't see Selina as the sole striker, but rather her strength lies in being able to dribble past her opponent."

    This just reads like more nonsense...

    Wück talks about Selina Cerci: "She can use her speed and make runs. She feels very comfortable in that position for us, performed very well against Spain recently, and also scored a hat trick there against Scotland."

    He has Bender, Baum, Endemann, even Zicai, Alber, or Lein, Schimmer, all showcase the ability to dribble past their opponents at a higher succes rate than what we've seen from Cerci out wide for the wnt...:confused:

    Wück talks about Selina Cerci: "I want to move away from fixed positions and play the players where I see them as strongest."

    And here it is in the open... they don't care about club form, but select players based on the way flawed wnt player analytics see's these women function best, lol.

    Neid, MVT, Hrubesch, and now Wück... have all recieved outside influence from a broken analytics department, that's overseen failure and regression for over a decade lol.

    Wück talks Vanessa Fudalla: "I see other players ahead of her, and that hasn't changed in the last few Bundesliga matches."

    The fact she wasn't even selected for the u23's, tells you the wnt department has ZERO faith in Fudalla's attributes converting to a higher level.

    This program selecting a role player from the Austrian league ahead of Fudalla for the u23's lol, the perfect example of how low they truly view Fudalla's attacking qualities.

    And knowing how I didn't even see Fudalla finding a role in Wück's system, should reveal how unsurprising what Wück would reveal about her difficult future with the wnt program.
     
  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Janning, Bartz, Lein, all recieve their first u23 selections. This squad also seeing some notable absnetees...:cautious:

    Selecting D.Acikgöz, and Glonning, as FB's ahead of Szenk, Mickenhagen, is... a... choice, considering D.Acikgöz doesn't see any match time, and Glonning plays in a CM role for her club...:confused:

    I.Acikgöz, and Mattner, both selected ahead of Vobain, Steiner, Blumenberg, also a random choice considering I.Acikgöz another player with limited minutes at club level, while Mattner's previous use was in a RB role.

    Fudalla, Schimmer, Lührßen, Stegemann, Felde, all omitted due to the squad lacking room for any more over age players.

    This time Lein comes in as a new overage option for her first opportunity with the u23's, having the chance to prove she can adapt to the demands of a wide forward/striker on a international stage.

    7 of the u23's also on the senior teams replacement list. And I maintain Weidauer is currently a better forward than Martinez, Mühlhaus a far better all round player than Freigang.

    You could also swap Bender, or Baum, into the senior wnt ahead of Dallmann too. With it surely only a matter of time before Gonzalez eventually rewarded for her excellent form as a RB.
     
  9. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC

    OK... so merely existing in the WSL is good enough for certain players to recieve wnt selection, while the same privilege won't be extended to Lohmann...:rolleyes:
     
  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC

    :rolleyes:
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Exactly like I speculated... Kleinherne was never healthy enough to participate in the coming international matches. Making her selection absolutely pointless.

    But what I find more frustrating about her replacement, isn't any reality Veit not a good enough, but instead the increasingly obvious biased nature behind the way wnt squad is selected...:whistling:

    Veit a legit talent for the future, who's finally playing consistently enough at club level to develop into the wnt level CB many feel she should be. But right now, is she any better than Ostemeier at league, or u23 level... hell no!

    Solano also being ignored right now feels like her short lived time with the wnt coming to an end. Meaning... what happens next when Küver eventually decides she can't join the wnt..? Is Landenberger next in line...?
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The analytics department are elevating players with very clear profiles of size/athleticism, and placing them in positions not directly related or dependant on their club level performance.

    For years, this practice resulted in AM/CM's being pushed ahead of more effective defensive options, and recently saw Hoffmann, and Martinez, both elevated to wnt level on the irrational perspective of fitting certian desired physical traits.

    So learning how this works now, I think it says Fudalla has almost zero chance of playing for the wnt, while Baum, or someone like Mühlhaus, almost gaurenteed eventual wnt selection...:coffee:

    I will say it appears that after a decade, the analytics department might have finally learned to stop ignoring how important being able to defend actually is for competent wnt level CB's.

    But when it comes to mid-field and forwards, it feels like this desire to elevate athletic traits above technical ability, will continue to determine who plays, and where they play on this team.

    Cerci's technical skill-set making her the nations #1 striker, the wnt analytics department views these same qualities give her a profile closer to a winger lol...:confused:

    We then get Hoffmann's physical size evaluted as stronger traits for a wnt striker, than a smaller Cerci and her technical ability. Even Martinez somehow considered a better forward based on this type of flawed logic too ...:speechless:

    Freigang a genuinely terrible wnt level player, who continues to remain part of the wnt due to some form of logic nobody outside the wnt seems to understand.

    But overall, it will likely become even more normal over time to see how little domestic club performances influence who gets selected for the senior wnt.
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Hamburg's Svea Stoldt replaces Veit in the u23 squad, making this the first time Stoldt joins the u23's.

    Mainly a DM in her career, she's only recently been moved into CB role for her club, making this a rather suspect selection when you also understand the u23 already features Diehm as a DM playing as a CB option too...:unsure:
     
  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Of all the meetings between these two teams... this is the one people tune in to see most...o_O
     
  16. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    not sure what the last could of posts have to do with the German NT threat? 4 of the 5 goals in that game were made by foreigners

    4 of the top 5 Bundi top goal scorers are currently German, but then only one of them made it to the NT, and she(Cerci) doesn’t even get to play at her usual club, striker position under Wuck—and this might be the most worrying thing about Wuck; where is he only to get the goals if he’s not choosing actual verified goal scorers?
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Mühlhaus has been elevated to the senior team as a replacement for the injured Cerci. (I presume as a CM/AM)

    The wnt coaches selecting 4 strikers for only one forward role remains genuinely dumb, with Cerci not being considered a striker even dumber...:rolleyes:

    But now the wnt has finally added the 2nd real CM/AM prospect (Alara selected first) that could actually help the team. Hopefully meaning we can start to see the gradual removal of Freigang, and Dallmann...:cautious:

    The u23's have also replaced Mühlhaus with Steiner; and it now means the u23's strongest mid-field of Gräwe, Alara, Mühlhaus, have all been promoted into the senior team...:thumbsup:
     
  18. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Apparently Anyomi didn't look 100% healthy Vs Freiburg... which isn't great news considering Cerci's injury, knowing Schüller also in horrible form, while Martinez should honestly still be with the u23's.

    Cerci no longer being part of the squad, does Wück persist with the poor use of Wamser in the attack? Or does it mean Brand returns to the wing, with Endemann set to feature as a sub...?

    Dallmann never being deployed on the wings by Wück, the squad only has Bühl, Brand, Endemann, as the recognized wide forwards.

    So it's either more ugliness with Wamser falling over her own feet in a wide right role, or another frustratingly pointless opportunity for the wnt coaches to force Freigang into mid-field..:cautious:
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    U17's start their Euro qualification with a 2-0 (1-0) win Vs Ireland.

    Low expectations, who knows if they qualify for the next round, but they play Denmark in their next match.
     
  20. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Klara Bühl out for the Slovenia match.:( We need Lohmann!
     
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  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #7571 Batfink, Mar 1, 2026
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    Bühl missing BOTH games, the last thing we need to see now is Friegang inserted into Mid-field all because Brand is moved back out wide...:unsure:

    My predictions for the attack to face Slovenia...
    Brand ------ Anyomi/Schüller ------ Endemann

    Selecting 4 strikers absolutely destroying the balance of this squad, if Brand moved back to the wings, it means one of Gräwe, Freigang, or Mühlhaus have to start in CM.

    With the options available now, this probably the most balanced trio to select (but still highly concerning...:cautious:)
    ------ Nüsken -------------- Mühlhaus -------
    --------------------- Senß ----------------------

    Seniority likely to override talent and effectiveness... I can see Freigang starting in CM; which if anyone remembers how badly this worked away from home Vs Iceland...:thumbsdown:

    The defence should end up being this...
    Kett --- Knaak --------- Minge ---- Wamser
    Gwinn being rested so she can play for 90 mins Vs Norway. Kett simply allowed to get more experience.

    Küver if healthy will only feature Vs Norway, with Veit potentially making an appearance Vs Slovenia for her senior wnt debut.

    On form alone, I would personally like to see Mahmutovic start Vs Slovenia, as I'm sure Berger was also meant to step aside post Euro's...:confused:

    But with Wück saying he wants to establish more continuity, facing Slovenia I'd expect to see some major selection changes due to the absence of Bühl aka the teams most effective forward.
     
  22. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    My preferred starting 11 would be this...
    Brand ------ Anyomi/Schüller ------ Endemann
    ------ Nüsken ------------------ Mühlhaus -------
    ------------------------- Senß ---------------------------
    Kett ----- Knaak ----------- Minge ------ Wamser

    The concerning selection looks like this...
    Brand ------ Anyomi/Schüller ------ Wamser
    ------ Nüsken ------------------ Freigang -------
    ------------------------- Senß ---------------------------
    Kett ----- Knaak ----------- Minge ------ Gwinn

    At club level Gräwe typically starts as Frankfurt's main DM pivot, with Senß and Reuteler positioned in the more offensively advanced CM roles.

    But damn... Nüsken - Gräwe - Senß toghter, without any of them being a Reuteler type AM, is just 3 DM's...:sick:.

    Freigang truly awful, Dallmann not doing enough, Mühlhaus an inexperienced but a talented rookie. No Oberdorf, Lohmann, or Lattwein, you really notice the lack of depth with the wnt's current mid-field.

    In my opinion, given this lack of depth, there's no reason why Mühlhaus shouldn't be trusted given her impressive club and u23 level performances. As shes better than Freigang, Dallmann, and Nüsken as a AM...:whistling:
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Oberdorf - Lohmann - Lattwein were meant to take over as the main mid-field, guided by Magull, and Däbritz's leadership.

    However.... Magull is randomly cast aside, Däbritz retires from the wnt early, Oberdorf gets two serious knee injuires, Lohmann can't start a game at club level, as Lattwein gets lost in the mess that is Wolfsburg..:speechless:

    I feel like Minge - Nüsken - Popp, witnessed at the Olympics a horrible trio. But in the disastrous 3-0 defeat to Iceland, that saw a 2/3 woman mid-field of Nüsken - Senß, and only made worse with the introduction of Freigang, might be the worse trio I've seen lol.

    So there should be no reason to ever see a post Hrubesch scenario where we're forced to watch Nüsken - Senß - Freigang, as a CM trio again..:cautious:

    On club level form, Wrede - Senß - Mühlhaus, factually the best German mid-fielders right now. Two of these 3 names are in the wnt squad... yet we probably only going to see one of them actually play...:rolleyes:
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Next wnt squad needs to stop wasting selection spots on passengers, and look to bring in legitimately useful wingers/wide forward options.

    At least one more addition from names like Baum, Zicai, Bender, Alber. No more need for Freigang, Dallmann, or Martinez, to be part of the squad.

    If healthy.... Cerci, Anyomi, Schüller, are all competing for one position. Neither Freigang or Dallmann relevant to the argument of best players in either AM or wing positions too.

    Deploying Cerci and Wamser in wide attacking roles Vs France and Spain was genuinely unacceptable. But losing Bühl to injury, really exposes the various passengers who remain part of the squad selection process...:cautious:
     
  25. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    As of yet, Wuck hasn’t chosen anyone to replace Buhl, but my pick would be Bender. Looking forward though to watching her play today vs Norway in u23 action.

    the Norwegians seem to be the new ‘IN’ thing in women’s Euro sports; they not only won the Olympics medals count, but stunningly made up 10 field players on just four clubs in the recent Champions League wild cards matches(Juv/Wob & Athletico/MU) with many of them starting over more prestigious domestic players like Bode over Girelli(Juv)

    I know they’ve pretty much underperformed since 2013, but starting today, we could see thtm breakout of that & well be the future of woso
     

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