German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Berger screwed
     
  2. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Lohmann actually evaded the press, but the clearance wasn't down the line...:(
     
  3. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    They need a miracle to get penalties now...:( What a stupid goal to concede wow...it wasn't even a powerful shot.

    Please find a way to equalize....
     
  4. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Yes it’s not like she got caught but still…

    I guess it was a goal coming but disappointing nonetheless

    Gotta talk about the reboot that now is surely happening if Germany goes out now
     
  5. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    This is the start of a reboot...:(

    These dummies wasted 90 mins with us watching Hoffmann, as they went through an entire tournament without a mid-field.

    Things should get better... but this feels like such an anticlimactic end to Germany's Euro's. In the end it was the mid-field and attack that let this team down; but not for a lack of talent though
     
  6. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    I really have a hard time imagining Wück just blacklist Hoffmann. Not that I need to see her in the team but you know what I mean…

    surely Knaak can’t go on being a CB option either. And I wouldn’t mind seeing Berger continue being their first choice if she can keep her form, even though they’ve some incredible talent sitting on the bench now
     
  7. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Constantly losing defenders, having no mid-field, and constructing one of the most one dimensional attack you'll see... they did incredibly well to have 10 players and get beyond France.

    But they didn't need to lose this today... the lack of a genuine offensive game plan from a German wnt during this tournament was really bad. But today, in this game, where you know EXACTLY what you need... I can't accept the team we witnessed for the 90 mins.

    Expecting to take Spain to penalties was just the same garbage witnessed during the Olympics. And this wnt can not take par in the next WC believing this is all they have to offer.

    Kleinherne, Minge, Kett, Wamser we're fantastic, Senß, Bühl, Brand, all having great individual tournaments, we saw Bühl, and Brand chose the wrong games to go down a level...:(

    And I know some people will blame Lohmann for the goal, but damn... the moment she partnered Senß, it should be noted Germany actually had a real CM presence that allowed Germany to actually take part in a real game beyond defence Vs attack.

    Berger... everything positive she did, yeah... conceding that weak ass shot...
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  8. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Hoffmann, and Knaak, should never have been selected for this tournament, and the wnt should have less need for them once Anyomi continues her rise to prominence, knowing Solano and a host of more talented potential wnt CB's come into contention.

    GK, CB, CM, , WF, FW should all gain better depth by the world cup. But damn... these coaches are so random, they might just find a way to make this team worse not better lol.
     
  9. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    POSITIVES:

    Kett, Wamser are 100% long term wnt FB's... both their performances within a constantly changing unstable team like Germany's says they're super legit young prospects.

    Minge convinced me she's a real international level defensive player, and has many years to continue growing alongside Kleinherne too, for a program with a host of strong contenders for CB roles waiting for their opportunity.

    Senß has been great as DM presence for this team, and honestly the best overall CM for this team during the Euro's. It will be interesting to see what happens to her when a real CM like Oberdorf returns to the wnt, knowing Oberdorf no longer wanting to be a DM...:whistling:

    Germany's attack during this Euro's was largely horrible lol... it should be said with Bühl, Brand were both great individually, with Brand taking serious steps forward as a world class winger.

    The moral of this team also impressive... and a positive moving into the future where it enables these players to overcome horrible coaching lol.

    NEGATIVES:

    The biggest negative with this team was blatantly Knaak... we've all seen enough of her now to know we don't need to see anymore. Knaak having more than enough opportunities to validate her selection, there's simply no excuse to see her continue beyond this tournament.

    Nüsken needs to find a defined role for herself at club level, and finally develop into a strong CM/DM. As right now she's still the biggest tactical liability of any CM, and in my opinion very fortunate to survive on club bias that protects her continued wnt selection...:cautious:

    Dallmann tried to do her best for this team, but was part of a bad system that almost went out of it's way to ignore her presence as a CAM. And with Freigang continuing her pattern of being truly underwhelming as a CAM...we probably won't need to see either one or both of these names come the WC.

    Hoffmann just isn't a senior wnt level talent... and it's obvious. She's been a perennial middle of the pack forward within the Bundesliga for very obvious reasons, and I like the fact she was giving an opportunity with the wnt. But seriously... with the options Germany has, there's no way the coaches should be able to justify the return of Hoffmann (bench, or starter)

    The system this team uses is also horrible... 4-2-3-1, to 5-2-3, neither formation seemed to be aware of players actual attributes lol.
     
  10. Weltmann

    Weltmann Member+

    Sep 9, 2012
    I just know if Germany would have won the Euros, Berger would have pulled a 2013 Angerer and won world player of the year. Unfortunately she pulled a 2011 Angerer in this game. But I can`t be mad. That France game will always be a classic :cool:
     
  11. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lohmann got 5,2 (was made responsible for Spanish goal):(
     
  12. Weltmann

    Weltmann Member+

    Sep 9, 2012
    Kett and Wamser were awesome. Funny how circumstances can make or break a player. Brand finally has that IDGAF Attitude. I thought Dallmann was ok. Now Freigang on the other hand:whistling: Hoffmann is clearly in Wücks plan as a Popp-lite. I thought Knaak got better during the tournament.

    P.S. You know how I feel about Hendrich and I am happy she is retiring from the nt :whistling:
     
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  13. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    shhh! let’s keep that quiet from Batfink & Thomsen
     
  14. Read Only

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    Blues
    United States
    Mar 21, 2024
    Can you guys tell me what you see in Senß? I am a US fan and I just don't get what she brings to your squad. She is small and involved so little on the ball. She has no defensive presence.
     
  15. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    At Euro 2022, Germany still had Popp. Having Popp or Hoffmann in the team makes an heck of difference! :x3:

    At the bare minimum, based on the respective results, it's the difference between an Euro final and a semifinal. :coffee:
     
  16. luka74

    luka74 Member

    Western Sydney Wanderers, St Pauli, VFL Wolfsburg Frauen, Chelsea WSL
    Australia
    Nov 13, 2017
    Sydney
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    There's nothing I can add in terms of tactics or team selection discussion....I just want to say I'm sick of seeing these girls exiting these tournaments empty handed and in tears, when are the coaches going to get their shit together and start picking and playing the right players ? injuries have played a part also.
     
  17. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #7167 hotjam2, Jul 24, 2025
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    The more heralded Oberdorf would have been the more preferred choice at DM, but she’s still recovering from ACL/legend Alexandria Popp was the DM at last year’s Olympics, but retired after that, so kinda by proxy, Senss was next in line to take over the DM. Germany underwent 3 coaching changes in less than 2 years, each coach with their own philosophy—-this particular coach(Wuck) didn’t care for his DM to be the ‘quarterback’ of the team as compared to Spain (with Patri) England(Walsh) or even USA(Lily). Oddly Oberdorf was one of the most accurate passers when she was DM.
    Wuck had to reinvent this NT anyways from an highly offensive team(they ave 4-6 goals in their Nations League group) into a strong defensive, nearly bunker formation due to various circumstances(two early red cards & number of injuries) so don’t think you got to see Senss playing at her best or at least at her regular self(which I personally felt had an real tooth & nails, fighting mentality to make up for her shortcomings)
    Senss has an interesting back story that she was a registered nurse while playing full time on an Bundesliga bottom feeder club. Finally got hired by Frankfurt who hopefully pay her enough that she can quit her night job

    Germany’s landscape will probably be quite different four years from now as they currently have four black starters on their u19/20 NT squad—as they surely could of used an African type speed demon at CF like England got with Ayedang/Spain got with Paralleulo—-instead, couldn’t quite get Hoffmann at CF, she looked like an bulldog out there with just three legs!
     
  18. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    After Lohmann's pass was blocked. Nothing really dangerous .
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  19. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #7169 hotjam2, Jul 24, 2025
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    Sydney got all the way to #212 on FOTMOB’s power player rankings, but after this match, unfortunately took an sharp nose dive to #246, which i believe is lower than her original ranking

    oh. but let’s keep this an secret so Batfink & Thomsen can continue on with their alt reality posts
     
  20. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #7170 hotjam2, Jul 24, 2025
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    Germany did well enough, if only they had a walk-in-the-park schedule like Spain had, they would have won yesterday’s match. Instead UEFA threw them under the bus with a ridiculous top heavy group that had 3 higher ranking teams than Group A highest ranked NT. And then even in group play they got the short end of the stick as lower ranked Sweden got to play later in the group’s 2nd game, giving them an huge advantage in knowing by hoe much they needed to best Poland to take group lead.

    us arm chair fans will always say if only Wuck chose this & that, this might of turned out different, but overall I’m a bit satisfied that it’s England vs Spain in the finals as these are the two top Euro countries that spend the most money in developing their clubs, league’s & youth infrastructure
     
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  21. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Lohmann is now#216, they have changed her mark from 5,2 to 6,3 for the Spain match and no longer argue that Lohmann was responsible for the Spanish goal!
     
  22. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    why would they blame Sydney?….all I can think of….well it was 0-0 right before she came in. But in no way I want to intrude on Batfink & Tomsen’s fantasy that she was going to be an game changer
     
  23. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #7173 Batfink, Jul 25, 2025
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    :ROFLMAO: She dribbles the ball out of a full press (no other German CM could have done this) and clears the ball from danger.

    The only issue here is she doesn't find her intended target Bühl, or kick it out of play to reset Germany's defensive posture.

    Pre Lohmann's arrival into this match, Germany losing the ball on numerous occasions within their own half, but fortunate to not concede due to last effort tackles, or the GK making a save.

    It's crazy the only players to give German a real mid-field presence in this competition, is the one dummies want to blame for this teams overtly negative defensive posture...o_O

    Germany having more than enough bodies to not concede the goal, how the hell can anybody look beyond Berger allowing such a tired effort to beat her at the near post lol...:confused:

    Yes... the only reason Germany in the semi finals a large part to Berger. But to ignore a bad German defence, and her conceding such a weak effort is crazy. Berger making the most saves of any GK wasn't because this team was simply amazing...:whistling:
     
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  24. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #7174 Batfink, Jul 25, 2025
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    I'm seeing an average of 14 million people watched Germany's bunker ball routine Vs Spain, and that's now said to be the second highest number in WNT history...:speechless:

    However... I'm seeing at least 4 of Germany's 2011 WC games generated 15 million viewers, with the wnt's record of 16.95 set during the same tournament too, soooo, I'm guessing this is just historic Euro's viewing figures...:unsure:
     
  25. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Minge getting a 6 is hilarious she's the only reason the CB's were able to survive so long Vs Spain's short passing game.

    Senß was also a beast in CM, with Kett potentially one of the best players on the field for 120 mins too.

    But Hoffmann... a 6/10... really...:rolleyes:
     

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