German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Prior to the match Vs Scotland, the broadcasters spent a short period talking about some of the tactical deficiencies with this team, specifically highlighting the danger zone that exists in front on the CB's still not being protected correctly.

    And after the 2nd half change of formation that occurred with the introduction of Nüsken, it will be interesting to see what Wück does with this knowledge headed into the next 2 games, knowing we saw something very similar happen when MVT would randomly stumble across using Oberdorf as a DM prior the last Euro's....:cautious:

    With one of Nüsken, Senß, Gräwe, placed in front of the CB's as a DM pivot, you not only decrease the chances of opposition forwards/CM's exploiting this danger zone, but you also provide the defence a dedicated passing option to help recycle possession without the constant need for the GK to kick long.

    Like it was under Hrubesch, Germany under Wück are still underwhelming when it comes to utilising an effective defensive counter-press. Making a weak double 6 potentially even more ineffective for a team also lacking elite CB's...:unsure:

    Makng the established knowledge of the success of Nüsken, Senß, Gräwe, all being deployed as dedicated DM pivots for their Bundesliga clubs (all lead the league in successful tackles made), only more significant understanding that beyond Oberdorf - Lattwein, we've also NEVER seen any combination of German CM's form an elite level double 6.

    To me... for a LONG TIME, it's been obvious Germany possessing the type of players to be far more effective within a 4-3-3, focused on using a lone DM pivot, a box to box CM, and a CAM/AM. Hopefully now with Wück witnessing the potential of this for the first time in the 2nd half Vs Scotland.
     
  2. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    #6677 hotjam2, May 20, 2025
    Last edited: May 20, 2025
    That’s crazy calling up Oberdorf when she hasn’t played all year.
    Otherwise Wamser’s the only newbie, Hendrich & Knaak getting reinstated after missing last few times due to injuries. Not sure who got dropped from last time other than Alara.

    edited; last time only 23 players were chosen, this time 25, yet no Anyomi or Endemann(didn’t Batfink made the continues argument that Endemann was going to replace Brand as starter on both Wolfsburg & the NT?
     
  3. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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  4. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    finally Batfink's beloved Endemann made an team(u23's), but from looking at her stats this last season(3 goals/ 1 assist in league play, it's not like she's been overwhelming. Overall an strong u23 squad facing the US, though quite a few Bev Lev players missing. It could be cuz of some new club 7v7 tournament going on(or at least the English are hyping it). Got the feeling Anyomi, Alara & Mahmutovic injury problems. Nice to see Kuver being slected again, hopefully she's fit enough though. Dont know which club Sarah Mattner plays on nor the two lower GK's
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  5. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Senior Squad Vs Netherlands & Austria

    GK
    Ann-Katrin Berger - NJ/NY Gotham FC
    Stina Johannes - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Ena Mahmutovic - FC Bayern München

    DF
    Sara Doorsoun - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Giulia Gwinn - FC Bayern München
    Kathrin Hendrich - VfL Wolfsburg
    Franziska Kett - FC Bayern München
    Sophia Kleinherne - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Rebecca Knaak - Manchester City
    Sarai Linder - VfL Wolfsburg
    Janina Minge - VfL Wolfsburg
    Carlotta Wamser - Eintracht Frankfurt

    MF/FW
    Jule Brand - VfL Wolfsburg
    Klara Bühl - FC Bayern München
    Selina Cerci - TSG Hoffenheim
    Sara Däbritz - Olympique Lyon
    Linda Dallmann - FC Bayern München
    Laura Freigang - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Giovanna Hoffmann - RB Leipzig
    Sydney Lohmann - FC Bayern München
    Sjoeke Nüsken - FC Chelsea
    Lena Sophie Oberdorf - FC Bayern München...:speechless:
    Lea Schüller - FC Bayern München
    Elisa Senß - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Cora Zicai - SC Freiburg

    RESERVES...
    Rafaela Borggräfe - SC Freiburg
    Gia Corley - San Diego Wave FC
    Vivien Endemann - VfL Wolfsburg
    Lisanne Gräwe - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Paulina Krumbiegel - Juventus Turin
    Shekiera Martinez - West Ham United
    Felicitas Rauch - North Carolina Courage
    Alara Şehitler - FC Bayern München
    Sophie Weidauer - Werder Bremen
    Pia-Sophie Wolter - Eintracht Frankfurt
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    U23 Squad Vs USA....

    GK
    Lina Altenburg - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Anneke Borbe - VfL Wolfsburg
    Rafaela Borggräfe - SC Freiburg

    DF
    Alina Axtmann - SC Freiburg
    Vanessa Diehm - TSG Hoffenheim
    Chiara Hahn - TSG Hoffenheim
    Camilla Küver - VfL Wolfsburg....:speechless:o_O
    Sarah Mattner-Trembleau - SKN St. Pölten
    Julia Mickenhagen - Bayer Leverkusen
    Tomke Schneider - 1. FC Union Berlin
    Jella Veit - Eintracht Frankfurt

    MF/FW
    Mara Alber - TSG Hoffenheim
    Loreen Bender - Bayer Leverkusen
    Gia Corley - San Diego Wave FC
    Vivien Endemann - VfL Wolfsburg
    Lisanne Gräwe - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Mathilde Janzen - Kristianstads DFF
    Tuana Mahmoud - Werder Bremen
    Shekiera Martinez - West Ham United
    Larissa Mühlhaus - Werder Bremen
    Sophie Nachtigall - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Katharina Piljic - Bayer Leverkusen
    Sophie Weidauer - Werder Bremen

    RESERVES....
    Laura-Johanna Dick - TSG Hoffenheim
    Thea Farwick - SV Meppen
    Meret Felde - SC Freiburg
    Vanessa Fudalla - RB Leipzig
    Laura Gloning - FC Bayern München
    Lisann Kaut - TSG Hoffenheim
    Nina Lührßen - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Paulina Platner - SGS Essen
    Marie Steiner - TSG Hoffenheim
    Nia Szenk - SC Freiburg
    Selina Vobian - SC Freiburg
     
  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    U19 Squad Vs England & France (Friendlies)

    GK
    Thea Farwick - SV Meppen
    Paula Hoppe - 1. FC Köln
    Janne Krumme - FSV Gütersloh 2009

    DF/MF/FW
    Maresa Arici - Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Lisa Baum - Hamburger SV
    Keira Bednorz - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Nadine Bitzer - TSG Hoffenheim
    Delice Boboy - Bayer Leverkusen
    Estrella Merino Gonzalez - Bayer Leverkusen
    Merle Hokamp - FSV Gütersloh 2009
    Greta Hünten - FC Bayern München
    Melina Krüger - 2006 Hamburger
    Emma Memminger - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Maria Penner - Werder Bremen
    Milena Röder - TSG Hoffenheim
    Rosa Rückert - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Leonie Schetter - TSG Hoffenheim
    Julia Schiffarth - 1. FC Köln
    Maj Schneider - SC Freiburg
    Marina Scholz - 1. FC Nürnberg
    Julie Terlinden - SGS Essen
    Svenja Vöhringer - TSG Hoffenheim
    Emily Wallrabenstein - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Tessa Zimmermann - Eintracht Frankfurt

    RESERVES....
    Romy Bräutigam - TSG Hoffenheim
    Laura Bröring - SV Meppen
    Ida Daedelow - Bayer Leverkusen
    Marie Gmeineder - FC Bayern München
    Leonie Köpp - SGS Essen
    Eszter Reszler - FC Bayern München
    Helene Schäfer - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Lilith Schmidt - 1. FC Köln
    Melissa Schmidt-Sommer - Eintracht Frankfurt
    Celina Senftl - FC Bayern München
    Nelly Smolarczyk - VfL Wolfsburg
    Felicia Sophie Sträßer - FC Carl Zeiss Jena
    Sophia Weixler - FC Bayern München
    Elfie Wellhausen - Hertha BSC
    Luzie Zähringer - FC Bayern München
     
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  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wück talks Oberdorf: "We want to give her the opportunity to perform at her best. We want to judge her training performance with our own eyes; she is 100 percent fit. We are in close contact with Bayern Munich and also with Lena. We are waiting to see how training goes. Lena is desperate to take the next step and find her feet here again. After consulting with Bayern, she is now getting that competitive spirit in training. Then we will take it step by step. She wouldn't be here if I hadn't given her an important role. It's about putting together the best team for a European Championship - even beyond the starting eleven. That is, if we decide that it makes sense to take Lena with us."

    I really hope this is just Oberdorf training with the wnt, and NOTHING MORE than training with the wnt...:cautious:

    Wück talks Wamser: "Carlotta has earned this nomination over the past few months; she has been a top performer in an unfamiliar position. She deserves to prove herself at this level now."

    Well... this surely solidifies the obvious fact of Germany's wnt program (regardless of head coach) still being set on the exact same path as Neid when it comes to the implementation of general tactics, and player selection...:rolleyes:
     
  9. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Senior team opinions.... even if I don't like how this wnt program continues to overlook it's own domestic leagues best defenders, I can't ignore how within the u23's and Frankfurt, Wamser has actually played really well in her new FB role, making her selection highly unsurprising when MVT had the same player within her failed pre WC plans.

    I really liked the potential of a left wing attacker Kett, but her being brought back into the wnt as a LB without ever impressing anyone at club level is, well... disappointing. And this with me only seeing Knaak being a wnt level CB a major warning sign, knowing she remains a ponderous low mobility CB option who'll only ever offer this team very little defensive protection from any forwards possessing speed, or 1v1 skill...:unsure:

    Anyomi again stepping out due to injury continues to be an annoying trend too, when you understand just how strong she's been for her club this season, and how much this new on field improvement has seen her various attributes help establisher her as Germany's most effective central attacker...:coffee:

    Wolter CB/FB, Alara CAM/AM, Endemann WF, the three names here who stand out as reserve options who could legitimately help upgrade this team come the Euro's.

    My potential best 11...
    Bühl ----------------------- Schüller ------------------------ Brand
    ---------- Däbritz ---------------------------- Lohmann -----------
    --------------------------- Senß/Nüsken ------------------------------
    Linder ----- Hendrich ------------------ Doorsoun ------ Gwinn
    ------------------------------- Berger -----------------------------------

    Wück's likely starting 11...
    Bühl ----------------------- Schüller ------------------------ Brand
    ----------------------------- Dallmann --------------------------------
    ------------------- Senß ---------------- Nüsken --------------------
    Linder ----- Minge --------------------- Doorsoun ------ Gwinn
    ------------------------------- Berger -----------------------------------
     
  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The u23's facing USA is something I'm interested in seeing too, as the latest squad is filled with various names who could easily establish themselves as senior wnt players post the Euro's.

    After 2 years not seeing regular 1st team football, the return of Küver becomes a massive shock to me; and alongside the return of Alber hopefully a sign of Germany not losing more of it's elite talent due to recuring knee injuries...:thumbsup:

    But again I have to ask... are the wnt coaches filled with the same tactical doubts I hold over Fudalla's overall game...:cautious:, and as one of the primary development sources of many senior wnt talents, why are Essen's women constantly being ignored by the u23 selection process...:unsure:
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC


    Ughhhh... the wnt coaches/leadership are being accused of poor communication again...:(

    I don't know what's happening with this program anymore, but from the outside it's only become more segregated in it's overall vision under the leadership of the new director of football role...:confused:

    And even if experienced players are no longer in the coaches plans, after so many years spent within this program, I don't believe we should be seeing so many women who've represented their nation at various levels wnt football find themselves leaving the senior wnt with such clear feelings of resentment.
     
  12. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    I have a feeling she won't be called up for the Euros either. What's even more interesting is many national team players liking her post.
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yeah... the banishment of Simon, and the new found interest in trying to convert Kett into a LB, almost confirms Rauch's wnt career is all but confirmed to be over now.

    It appears this feeling of resentment has become a common sentiment among the players now.

    Magull as one of the wnt's leaders during MVT's era was shockingly open in her expressing various issues with the wnt program, and was later abruptly dropped from the wnt's plans on the back of poor communication aka lies from the post MVT coaching...:whistling:

    So I don't know what the DFB leadership are doing anymore, as it appears to me their plans for the men haven't been able to take root within the wnt program while Neid remains in a prominent position.

    And this makes me wonder how much Künzer has been able to positively effect, if we're STILL seeing players complain about the poor communication coming from the wnt's leadership...:unsure:
     
  14. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Everything seems to point to Germany having another disappointing run in a tournament.
     
  15. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Right after Euro training camp with maybe a pre tourney friendly will probably be the best indicator on how well Germany will do.

    Germany looked phenomenally well conditioned & in zinc when they blasted the Swiss, 7-0, right before the 2022 Euros, but then looked horrible vs the likes of Vietnam right before 2023 WC, both would end up forecasting the results of those respective tournaments

    Sarina Wiegman won the last two Euros with two different NT’s plus got the Dutch into the WC finals, thereby proving she’s an very exceptional tournament worthy coach, yet can have rather disappointing results on some of the FIFA one week open window matches. So it does that she’s the extra 2-4 weeks training with her team(as like most major summer tournaments) thd get those terrific results. This is why I would give Wuck the benefit of doubt until we see the squad right after the major training camp
     
  16. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nachtigall, Bender, Piljic & Schneider already been pulled out of the u23 squad . Dunno the replacements but hopefully the DBF takes it seriously, the US hasn’t played an u23 match in two years but now it’s completely with pro NWSL stars instead the previous college players
     
  17. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    With the Nations League games coming up, I'm not even sure there will necessarily be a pre tournament friendly otherwise it probably would have already been scheduled. I haven't see other teams schedule any friendlies ahead of the Euros either.

    That Vietname game in 2023 was particularly horrendous given how Vietnam later performed (or rather didn't) at the World Cup.
     
  18. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    France is hosting Brazil a few days right before the start of the Euros. The match going to be played in the mountain resort town of Grenoble—so it feels like their trying to assimilate host Switzerland as much as possible, lol.

    got the feeling the four players pull out of the u23 squad went over to the senior squad for practice & scrimmage purposes, so hopefully means Wuck’s taking this week’s upcoming seriously, but you don’t want to go into Euos too confidently, that’s why hoping they go back and simulate the pre 2022 Euros training & conditioning as much as possible as I really think they could of won it if it was played anywhere else except England
     
  19. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    though they havn't played together yet as an unit, sone exciting players are coming over via the US u23 squad for their two game set. By far my favorite is Riley Tiernan. How does she stacks up against the German frauleins???`ps, might make a change on my avatar to Riley afrer Euros
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Factors like Wück not constructing a strong back 4, a clear starting mid-field, or a fully functioning starting attack, not having any clear identity yet... definitely suggests his first tournament with the wnt unlikely to end in glory...:(

    But it should always be stated that Germany currently posses enough talent to be a contender at any tournament over the next 5 years, where key factors that prevented the team from reaching it's true potential could still be resolved by Wück and Meinert.aka coaches with prior winning pedigrees.
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What's happening....:confused:


    These dummies had to endure WC group stage embarrassment, eventually going through 3 different coaching departments, and the introduction of a new technical position with Künzer becoming the wnt's first dedicated director of football.

    But here we are, weeks away from a Euro finals, and somehow hearing about the wnt leadership and the players still not being able to communicate effectively...:speechless:

    This taken from an online article: After a discussion with national coach Christian Wück, the German women's soccer team is approaching their busy European Championship summer with renewed energy. The topic has been "a bit of an elephant in the room" in recent days, said national player Laura Freigang at a media event in Bremen on Tuesday, clarifying: "We've talked about it. I think everyone is trying to find common ground. I think that's the most important thing."

    LOL.. there's NO WAY you have this persist among 3 different head coaches (MVT, Hrubesch, Wück), and think it's simply an issue with the players. The DFB continues to have a genuine problem it will surely need to address at some point...:coffee:
     
  22. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    u23 matches will be an battle between two great cultures, below are videos that show just how different each culture is. On the Euro pro side, watching lotsa soccer/American side; drving big fat trucks
    the way Euro's live

    Americans live
     
  23. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Who thinks that? The players barely get blamed, some would even say they don't get blamed enough.
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    #6699 Batfink, May 29, 2025
    Last edited: May 29, 2025
    Whoever, whatever is the source of this issue... it shouldn't be a problem that persists through the time frame of 3 different coaches...:confused::speechless:

    The players feel one way, the coaches report a completely different series of events. Again... what's going on, and why do the players remain so annoyed about this..?
     
  25. BIHfan

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    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    We don't know but the only thing that in many ways has not changed under 3 different coaches is the core roster.
     
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