German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Hmmm, I saw some very very suspect moments from Italy, that very recently saw you pretty vocal for witness a lot less when it involved other players you claim not to hold bias towards...:coffee:

    But I already know how this works lol...:rolleyes:
     
  2. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Vs Italy, we really didn't need to see Linder starting as a CB, with there also being ZERO need for us to see anymore of Rauch at LB. Rauch typically horrible at counter pressing, also appearing to be a player in some kind of decline when it comes to providing her previously one strong element in progressive passing...:unsure:

    It should also be stated Doorsoun can't be part of this team much longer either, if it requires her to be part of a team lacking DM/CM's who can remove the pressure of her needing to play accurate forward passes.

    Seeing Doorsoun and Linder struggle with moments that require basic amounts of composure one thing, but seeing the past 4 games look so unsure it's even causing Gwinn to lower her former high standards, an issue I never thought would ever be a topic for concern...:speechless:

    Things did improve once Kleinherne joined the match, and Gräwe provided a source of control forward passing from deep. But overall we've seen 4 games from Germany, where the same old tactical problems remained far to prevalent in this team conceding pathetically cheap chances.
     
  3. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Mahmutovic some weeks ago (at 3:00)
     
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  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The Mid-field constantly starting as a double 6 continues to confuse everyone on the field right now, as Germany HAS various players who are typically very strong/excellent at doing this, but currently lacks access to them through injury, or just refuses to play them...:confused:

    In my mind Wück still lacks the full knowledge of his own player pool, meaning he probably unaware of the best players he has for various mid-field combinations. But when his also being provided information on player from Bartusiak aka the former head of Germany's wnt player analysis department...:(, it put everything we see right now into better perspective lol.

    Germany's mid-field probably the most talent rich department of the team, yet seems to be the one area of the team which constantly at fault Vs weak or strong opposition.

    Yet again, the moment Senß would leave the game, it would become the moment Germany's ability to compete in mid-field depart the game too.

    And with no clear system yet to be established for this team, it's vital Wück starts to learn how he can craft balance between his various mid options, if he genuinely determined to steadily move away from more established names.
     
  5. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Offensively speaking, I've just been largely baffled at a lot of what we've seen with the wnt over the past two tournament cycles.

    From decisions to actively neglect Bühl (who was your best attacking player), to instead propel Brand as the main focal point of the attack...:thumbsdown:. To no longer wanting to deploy real CAM's. Or just completely changing the system towards styles of football that seems to ignore the collective in favor of the individual.

    We continue to be told Germany's biggest issue is supposedly defensive depth... but looking at everything I've seen for the past two tournament cycles, I think Germany's big issue continues to be the nature of it's offensive/attacking depth; which has allowed a lot of mediocrity to be overlooked on the basis they could always revert back to Popp...:whistling:

    And if this sounds crazy, we need to remember how the wnt coaches would openly describe the bad thought process that saw them come to the conclusion they should replace the attributes Popp used to provide this team, coming to the almost nonsensical conclusion this would happen in the form of Hoffmann...:ROFLMAO:

    To me after seeing Krumbiegel get to play, and then Wamser be selected for the senior wnt, Hoffmann being elevated to the senior wnt surely the peak of the DFB's player analysis departments inept decisions, no?

    Any basic look at Hoffmann's speed, control, awareness, technique, wouldn't even place her on the same level as Kössler, Cerci, Anyomi, Schüller, let alone Popp. Yet here we are watching her start away to England, and then again at home to Italy...:speechless:
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Overall... I think we saw 4 bad performances from Germany, mixed with some periods of good play. Nothing in these games looking like it was new or revolutionary, everything mostly also appeared like it was a frustrating continuation of MVT/Hrubesch era football.

    I initially thought it would only take Wück 4 games to introduce and establish the early signs of his version of football for this team... but no. Judging everything we've seen so far, he's got way more work to get through before we see him putting together a tournament ready team.

    Defence, mid-field, and the attack, all in need of major development work. The biggest problem now is knowing Wück has to try and rebuild all this using the guidance/advice on players from the incompetent minds that oversaw everything prior to his arrival lol.

    So it only rational that many years of wnt neglect and damage wouldn't be fixed quickly... but damn. When you even can't learn from defeats, it's going to take much longer than expected before we see the Wück era Germany wnt really begin...:unsure:
     
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  7. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Nice dribbling and pass skills. :coffee:
     
  8. luka74

    luka74 Member

    Melbourne CIty, St Pauli, VFL Wolfsburg Frauen, Chelsea WSL
    Australia
    Nov 13, 2017
    Melbourne
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Aus defence needs a clean out and no end product from wingers, very frustrating. There are young prospects there but they need game time. Why the old faces get picked is a mystrey.
    Incoming coach will have a big job. Brazil certainly on the rise again which is great.
     
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  9. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    @blissett obviously my knowledge of Italian soccer is limited, but watching my two faves, Bonasea & Cantore, coming in at the same time at the 59th minute, was an excellent tactical move to counter Germany’s strong bench(as those two bring a lot speed & energy into the game)—your coach must thoroughly scouted the Swiss friendly m, as Italy’s fwds pounded Germany’s continues misuse of their back line alignment-I mean FB’s support for their CB’s is usually non existent in the Germans outdated playbook which looks like something from the Total-Futebol crap of the 1970’s—-well maybe even 1960’s with that stupid sweeper system, lol
    Didn’t know that a NT allowed to bring 18 subs into an official FIFA friendly—-this can play mental games fot opposing coaches/scouts

    and guessing Dragoni(who didn’t play) is still an work in progress?—-as well as the other prominent youth(forgot her name but is with Barca)
    Oh, and how about Shatzer? Thst sound like an German name!
     
  10. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Highlights Germany vs Italy
     
  11. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Well, Andrea Soncin recently said that Italy have an overabundance of offensive players, so he has the luxury of choosing the ones who are most suited to each opponent and of making changes that can actually affect the course of the game. He claims that, at least in the FWs department, there aren't actually starters and reserves, but a lot of good interchangable players.
    Of course Bonansera + Cantore at the hour mark was a good and effective move, also considering that Italy had spent a lot of energy with pressing in the 1st Half.

    Actually I didn't know that either, but I suppose it makes sense that friendly matches' rules are a little relaxed: It's been said that Germany and Italy agreed to have 6 substituions instead of 5 (as it indeed happened) and probably this included allowing longer benches.

    Giulia Dragoni is definitely a work in progress, but she's been given her chances in other matches and probably Soncin wanted to see some different players or settings, this time. I expect her to start in different circumstances, since the coach is still tinkerink a lot with the line-up.

    Anyway, she was requested by posters on Italy's thread also, as they were disappointed that she didn't have any playing time this time around. :p

    Mmmh, I didn't remember there was another Italian in Barça: who are you referring to? :cautious:

    Eva Schatzer (as well as Nadine Nischler, who had her first call for this match, but only sat on the bench) is from Alto Adige (Südtirol), a region of Italy where most of the people (at least in the northern half of it) are of German language and descent (formerly part of the Austrian Empire).
     
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  12. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    U19 Germany vs Denmark
     
  13. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The dive by Boboy before the first German penalty:eek::speechless:
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  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Dive...:unsure: The footage shows the GK make contact on the forward. Oh... and where's the yellow card...:whistling::rolleyes:
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Like I said post match... regardless of the flawed logic within the player analysis department, it been clear for a while now Germany's biggest issue is the nature of it's attack, not the defence...:coffee:

    The players know it, so lets hope the new coaches can find a way to get a better sense of clarity when it comes to creating the next major tournament's player pool.
     
  16. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
  17. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Well, if it wasn't for the missing numbers of the score, no-one would believe at the game's actual outcome! :p
     
  18. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    1st Half Germany...
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    2nd Half Germany...
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  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    90 mins Germany...
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  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    90 mins Germany....
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  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    I really hope the wnt stop this practice...:(. Beyond the error leading to Italy's goal, Linder is still a better LB than Rauch, and didn't need to be placed in another negative scenario (she was a CB in the defeat to Australia) when a legit long term CB prospect like Kleinherne sat on the bench...:confused:

    Germany HAS competent defenders, who given the right opportunity within a strong system could also develop into elite defenders. It's time....
     
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  22. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    I think this is a great visual example of Germany's offensive tactical issues over the past years...

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    And I understand Germany were unlucky not to be awarded 2 PK's, missing many of the clear chances they'd normal take during the normal run of play. But damn... the ineffective nature of their end product and crossing continues to be unacceptable lol... :speechless:

    The latest attacking experiment needs to end, as it's not fair on Hoffmann, or the better forward options, to see her forced into a scenario she's meant to be the replacement for Popp...:thumbsdown:

    But knowing Germany have moved way beyond the days of lacking credible winger depth, currently having a list of forwards such as Schüller, Kössler, Cerci, Anyomi, the question becomes why are the wnt coaches still mentally trapped in 2011, and when will Wück be able to break free...:cautious:
     
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  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Other notable analysis I saw, was Gräwe's 45 mins having her end the match with the highest player rating of any mid-fielder in this game...o_O

    Meaning within another frustrating self inflicted defeat, maybe Germany just saw Gräwe showcase the first signs of why she could establish herself the best option for the DM pivot role...?

    Still waiting to see how Lohmann will be used on her return, in my opinion knowing Oberdorf doesn't want to be a DM anymore, as Däbritz, Magull, and Lattwein, all remain better progressive passing CM's than Nüsken too. The door is wide open for DM talent right now.

    And with Sehitler, Piljic, Zdebel, or Diehm, all pushing make themselves members of the senior team, I think Gräwe's skill set has her uniquely positioned to be the wnt's present/future #1 DM pivot option.
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Weidauer 41'
    Dhont 52'
    Dhont 72'

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    Starting 11: GK 1 Dick - 20 Gloning, 15 Ostermeier, 4 Landenberger, 3 Kögel (C) - 8 Zdebel, 5 Diehm - 11 Wamser, 21 Mühlhaus, 17 Schimmer - 19 Weidauer.

    Formation: 4-2-3-1
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC

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