German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Endemann for Bühl
     
  2. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    6 minutes added
     
  3. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Schüller header miss the goal and Germany wins (only) 3:0.
     
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  4. Weltmann

    Weltmann Member+

    Sep 9, 2012
  5. luka74

    luka74 Member

    Melbourne CIty, St Pauli, VFL Wolfsburg Frauen, Chelsea WSL
    Australia
    Nov 13, 2017
    Melbourne
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Nice performance from Brand and a comfortsble win in the end. Sadly Australia predictably toothless without Kerr upfront, but also put zero pressure on Germany. Won't get out of the group stage.
     
  6. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    3-0 win to start the WC. But Vs a suspect Australia, more of the same persistent but very solvable issues remaining very noticeable too..:unsure:

    Brand probably be the most obvious player of the match today, producing a performance she'd be the teams most effective attacker, while also still managing to waste some very good clear looks at this team scoring 1 or 2 more...:cautious:

    The speed of play was SLOW, like shockingly slow. No game outside of the 0-0 Vs Wales seeing Germany produce such a ponderous display under the leadership of Hrubesch.

    If the team isn't going to apply high pressure to opposition defenders, they'll need to incorporate a significantly improved mid-block structure to prevent opponents being able to comfortably progress the ball into the German defensive 3rd of the field.

    Personally though, I think a lot of this potential improvement starts with Hrubesch no longer forcing Freignag, or Nüsken, into his starting 11. With Lohmann, Senß, joining the mid-field, hopefully allowing Bühl to go back to being a major part of this team attack.
     
  7. Weltmann

    Weltmann Member+

    Sep 9, 2012
    Those Berger kicks are real interesting.:whistling:
     
  8. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    USA vs Zambia 1:0 (Rodman)
     
  9. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    2:0 Swanson
     
  10. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    More things I liked... Berger making catches so calmly. After watching Frohms decide the ball was lava all season, it was GREAT to see Germany with a reliable prevention of goals from basic high crosses.

    Minge was quietly solid too. But in her first start at a major tournament, it was clear she also so determined and focused on being a strong defensive presence today, I think it removed other qualities of her game that could of helped the team while in possession of the ball.

    With the big bonus of the day, seeing Hegering, Popp, Lohmann, all on the field together, with supposedly 45 min only Popp playing for the full 90 mins...o_O
     
  11. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The awful way Zambia plays, they might just send soccer 50 years back
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Zambia really out here not playing a low block defence Vs the USwnt...:confused:

    And you can already bet money they'll magically discover how to perfectly incorporate this into their system the moment they face Germany...:rolleyes:
     
  13. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    3:0 Swanson
     
  14. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Red Card Zulu
     
  15. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I'm still more comfortable with the prospect of Germany facing the USwnt or Spain, than I am with them facing Zambia lol...:rolleyes:

    Looking to the next match Vs USA, Hrubesch can not afford to give the USwnt the same amount of uncontested space and possession they'd afford Australia. And this has to include Lohmann in his starting 11, with Nüsken headed back and staying on the bench.
     
  16. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    OK... Popp's post match interview has her sounding very similar to what I posted here; directly speaking on this teams inability to find a true balance, never calm while in possession, unable to find better options than aiming persistent long balls forward.

    Vs Australia, Germany just lacked anybody truly willing to control the tempo of play. With Popp in her new DM role, leaving this important responsibility now 100% on whoever is placed next to her.

    Making the new question, can Minge step up and give this team a legit two way CM, rather than being another basic tackle focused DM...?

    We always knew without Däbritz, and Oberdorf, Germany set to lose huge components of their mid-field. But not selecting either Lattwein, or Magull, as direct replacements, has left this Olympic side in need of a new name to take over this important function towards any successful mid-field...:cautious:

    One DM, one CM, one AM. Popp the DM, and Lohmann the AM, Minge will need to be the two way CM. This a role she's going to be tasked with once she's playing for her new club too.
     
  17. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    France only 3:2 now after 3:0
     
  18. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Red Card Mayra Ramirez
     
  19. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    finally got to watch an replay(though the first 17 minutes weren’t shown as well as 3 minutes tv advo breaks ; score wise they did pretty good & can well could be Brand’s coming out game as one of the world’s elites

    I really liked the 2 by 4 rectangular defense; it kept the players in a more tighter formation, or at least in closer support of each other

    on the con side, when starting from the back below the penalty box line, why pass the ball to the center?; Doursoon gave up an goal vs Iceland & it nearly happened this time again

    attacking wise; I for one couldn’t tell who was suppose to be the double 9, it was really more Buhl Brand & Schuller with newbie Minge looking very good as an box2box mid. Buhl wasn’t as effective, probably should have switched a little with Brand so could go up against Aussie weaker side defense. Schuller though sheing some good playmaking abilities

    Going up next against the US; it’s still too early to ‘unleash the beast’ but still play more conservative soccer(keep on with the 2by4 defense). Both come in with identical records(3 points/3 goal leads). Maybe too early to take group lead over, but if Germany wants to win, then Brand will have to step up again since the US is weak ala Australia on its left side defense. The hope here that she can finally score from her 1v1 attacks(or this time switch the more accurate shooting Buhl occasionally to this side)

    What Germany can’t do is be too adventurous & leave their defense temporarily exposed—as long as you leave open space available is where US attackers will hit you hardest.

    Not at all a fan of Emma Hayes coaching abilities, but she did sub out the starting attackers pretty early in her match compared to Horst, so she might have the fresher of the bunch so probably might not wasn’t to get into an running battle & conserve energy for later on in the tourney
     
  20. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    #5345 Batfink, Jul 26, 2024
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    Watching some of the Spain Vs Japan match, really provides an even better context of how bad Germany's tactics have become since the Euro's, and has me even more sceptical about the Olympic teams style being completely based on what Hrubesch wants for this team...:cautious:

    Looking confused trying to play out from the back, while using a system where it almost impossible to do this effectively and remain effective in transition. There's no way someone with the experience of Hrubesch can watch this and think it's OK lol...:confused:

    Hrubesch patrolling the bench, constantly waving his arms and shaking his head for 45 mins a common theme for this side lol, with him eventually making the most obvious substitutions at HT; Vs Australia the identity of his team still constantly fighting against two very different styles of play.

    And seeing how much success Spain have managed to achieve doubling down on what they were doing during the last Euro's, I can only hope the Wück era see's him instantly segregate the senior wnt from having any further association/contact with whatever's happing with the rest of the program lol.

    A 4-3-3 system, using one DM, one AM, and someone who can help dictate tempo as box to box CM. This is Spain, and it also used to be the same attributes for Germany. But the wnt program decided to abandon this logical thinking, in exchange for a system their own players at every age category don't appear to enjoy, and don't even seem to fully understand...:unsure:
     
  21. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    There's too many 7's and probably too many 9's here too. Defensively, knowing how these women can actually play, beyond key moments I'd only give Berger 8, Gwinn 6, Hendrich 6, Hegering 8, Linder 8.

    Germany's mid-field and attack in this game being highly underwhelming, I'd give Minge 6, Popp 7, Nüsken 5...:speechless:, Brand 8, Schüller 6, Bühl 6. With subs Lohmann 6, Senß 6, Solano 6.

    Berger and Brand the games two best players for different reasons. Berger removing any sense of panic dealing with high crosses, making basic saves appear just that... basic. Brand mixing the frustrating decision making of a u20 player, with the exciting talent of a senior level pro athlete.

    The worst players for me being Nüsken, and Minge. Where both would be in key mid-field roles, but find themselves hovering around the boarders of a game that needed them to take control of the football, and provide a more dominating presence over their teams general play.

    Seeing 9's here almost ludicrous given Germany unimpressive 49% possession, in a game they'd only manage 33 touches inside Australia's penalty box, compared to Australia's 22...o_O Yes, they won 3-0, but this wasn't a level of performance with anyone deserving a 9, hopefully with much better to come.
     
  22. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    For the next game Vs USA , Popp's post match comments mentioning the team needing better balance will actually need to result in Hrubesch listening to his players over the program, abandoning this frustratingly negative 4-2-4.

    People presenting ideas everything great right now, because we've seen similar worked Vs Austria and Australia, also missing the significantly lower performance stats for a system that was at the heart of a 3-0 defeat to Iceland...:cautious:

    So rather than hope for incredible good fortune to push this side towards success, it actually smarter now if Hrubesch stops constantly shaking his head on the bench, and looks to improve things around factors he can actually control.

    Meaning we see key factors like tactical adjustments that allow players to become more compact become a regular occurrence, removing the need for constant long passes towards nobody, and it's resulting highly random mostly ineffective 1v1 football.

    I mean, removing the corners Vs a very poor Australian side, Germany's attacking play appearing very confused, with the teams defensive shape not much better either, happily benefiting from there being 5 players at all times constantly placed behind the ball.

    Without huge amounts of luck, this simply isn't going to work Vs a USwnt who's ALWAYS going to be far more effective at direct 1v1 football than Germany will ever be.

    The 2nd half 11 Vs Australia becoming the potential starting 11 Vs USA...
    Bühl ----------------------- Schüller ------------------------ Brand
    ------------------------------ Lohmann (AM) ------------------------
    --------------- Popp (DM) ---------- Minge (CM) ------------------
    After losing mid-field battles Vs Iceland, Austria, and now Australia, we're going to need to see Germany make some significant improvements if there to prevent Lavelle and Horan dominating this match...:unsure:
     
  23. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    USA currently piling up injuries as well as quite a few others like Japan & Brazil, so Australia could still be in it for the long haul. Missing Kerr can be an bummer, but I remember Matildas actually looking better at last year’s WC in the games without her, especially Cooney-Cross had some swift, penetrating moves—-though this time not really effective vs Germany. Even in loss, Carpenter looked world class while doing a good defensive job on Buhl.
    Playoffs favor this group, both 1st & 2nd placed teams avoid heavy favorites Spain & France(if they top their own respective groups) in the quarterfinals.

    And of course great finally that Jule Brand proving that she could be one of the world’s best. Not just she’s scored now in her last two matches but the impeccable work rate, almost like having an extra player on the field!—-guess got to thank Horst for this as she was struggling at club under Stroot.
     
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  24. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member+

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Rauch replace Linder for USA match.
     
  25. luka74

    luka74 Member

    Melbourne CIty, St Pauli, VFL Wolfsburg Frauen, Chelsea WSL
    Australia
    Nov 13, 2017
    Melbourne
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Unfortunately the 2 best chances the aussies had were squandered, I feel Kerr would have buried both. The unfortunate defensive lapses were costly. If Gorry stays fit then we might have a chance, she works very well with Cooney cross. I was so looking forward to seeing those 2 go up against Obi :cry:
    It is awesome to see Jule kick on, she actually made her debut against Australia and scored a hat trick that day, so she's one player a lot of Aussie fans were aware of.
    Carpenter did alright against Klara who maybe wasn't as effective as normal, but it meant carpenter didn't get forward much, so it's still a win for Germany. She was poorly positioned for the 3rd goal.
    I'm hoping both teams can get something out of this tournament.
     
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