German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Not creating enough chances, then wasting the openings they do find through disjointed individual play. This result wouldn't have looked any different with MVT having access to all her first team options.

    Honestly... if 3rd place Hoffenheim played a test against the national team, I'd seriously bet on Hoffenheim to win lol. With the Hoffenheim girls on the national team only playing for Hoffenheim, I'd argue they're a better football team than the wnt...:whistling:

    I wouldn't even want to see Maier facing Brand in club football... but somehow Maier still starts for the national team, as a bench player for Arsenal lol.
     
  2. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #327 hotjam2, Jun 11, 2021 at 7:22 AM
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    Still haven’t found an replay(probably got to wait for the weekend to view it). The zero goals is a bit disappointing; did start your fav front line of Buhl-Schuller-Huth, but noticed on tinker that my faves subbed in, Brand & Wassmuth(but not Freigang)couldn’t score either.
    So if your saying Buhl still had a good game, I think think they should give
    Brand an try at central striker, this isn’t as far fetched as MVT’s previous stance of turning her into an FB & at least give both a chance to play together instead of one subbing for the other.

    MVT should thank her lucky stars that the Euros been delayed for another year cuz if it happened now, it would of most probable semi/quarter final exist. She obviously over expands her squad but even if she got to an smaller ‘core’ of players, it probably wouldn’t be the quality wise or right players to win an major tourney. While don’t want to underestimate team work, right now there’s no ‘Go To’ players that can guarantee goals at an good enough pace(Buhl hasn’t scored an NT goal since 2019)

    going with the Miedema & Martens analogy, just yesterday my point was proven; without them, the Dutch looked like an very average team in their loss vs Italy. No amount of good/great coaching will help them if their missing their two superstars(read all the reviews of this game)

    BM & WOB having been rapping the likes of Essen & Freiburg of the last couple for years(HOF is the new victim now). It’s just not good for the competitive of the league if those clubs keep loosing their best players. This is where the DBF federation needs to step up & maybe even pay the salaries of some of the top players of the ten lesser clubs. Otherwise the quality will continue to suffer(as right now Germany can’t produce an single top of the line goal scorer or CB, do important in winning major tournaments these days
     
  3. Neytreenor

    Neytreenor Member

    May 3, 2014
    All games of France WNT on youtube are geoblocked to USA, Canada, Puerto Rico. You will need VPN to watch it (I suppose, finding american VPN should not be a big problem). The replay is, for example, here .
     
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  4. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    I agree on Maier, as a big fan of hers, it’s kinda sad to see where she finds herself at the moment after her great 2013-2016 years… :thumbsdown:

    And this team is basically a copy of the men’s side, blessed with an incredible pool of midfielders but lacking defensive options + a terrible coach… :confused: MVT is better than Steffi Jones at least, but not by much given how she’s struggling to find an identity of this team with so much talent… just sad
     
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  5. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    lol.. When did I say it's my favorite front line..? Bühl - Schüller - Huth are simply the most efficient FW's MVT can select with her stupidly bloated rosters. However, with MVT's poor organization, it's resulted in FW players inability to understand each other; and your just not going to see their standards/positive traits within club football carry over into the international stage on a regular basis.

    Meaning even when the more direct running styles of Waßmuth and Brand get introduced into the match Vs France, their most effective attributes also become severely compromised if compared to their normal decision making abilities within their club side.

    And yes.. I understand the international stage different to the club game. But when your watching examples of Bühl - Schüller - Huth not combing ONCE during various great counter attacking opportunities, you know somethings very wrong.

    For me this being at it's worst, within the various moments both Brand and Waßmuth would make clever off the ball movements expecting team mates to play quicker/early passes, only to receive absolutely nothing.

    Your looking at perfectly strong players, but their all doing their own thing, as if coaches still believe individual ability can overcome poor cohesiveness/game management. It all feels very amateurish.
     
  6. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    No... lol, you really don't want to see that...:cautious: Looking at the garbage service Popp, Freigang, Schüller, have to contend with, seeing Brand as a lone FW would just be another complete waste of everyone's time. Wow.. the fact you believe an 18yo Brand can play everywhere, just shows how much this wnt devoid of identity.

    Look at the similar playing style Schüller. Everyone around her often appears under instruction to never notice the good runs behind an opponents back 4 she'll make; but you somehow believe Brand would instantly invalidate those issues...:unsure:
     
  7. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Put Miedema & Martens in the German wnt, the German wnt helps makes them look very ordinary too...:whistling: And I know you don't want to hear that, but staying in your fantasy world, I believe the kinds of special individualism MVT would need to gain access to, simply hoping to push her team deep into championships, doesn't currently exist in women's football lol.

    For me, Germany would need a prime Marta for anybody to even consider them capable of escaping a WWC first knockout round. Miedema & Martens combined ain't that kind of special chief... so... is this just you highlighting how Germany don't have any players on some weirdo ESPN 10 Ten women's football list...?

    Could Germany benefit from Marozsan actually being world class for them... of course. But with all the young talent, I'd think it's smarter to expect coaches build a solid team first, then establish it's individual stars.
     
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  8. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    OK.. lets break this down ruthlessly. My most effective 14/15 players for a 4-2-3-1...
    Bühl ------------------- Popp -------------------- Däbritz
    ------------------------ Magull -----------------------------
    --------------- Nüsken ------ Oberdorf ------------------
    Simon ---- Hegering ---- Kleinherne ---- Hendrich

    Sub: CM Lattwein - WF Brand - AM Marozsan - CB/FB Doorsoun - FW Schüller

    I don't care what kind of US centric missing "IT Factor" you try and attach to the construction of a good German wnt. Your going to have a hard time convincing me a good coach couldn't create a very effective team from this core group of players..:coffee:

    Leaving out options like Leupolz, Huth, Lohmann, Dallmann, Gwinn, Waßmuth etc... I've selected players based on their effectiveness within a 4-2-3-1; even if this means leaving out options with a supposed "Star" status on the bench.

    So even if MVT was missing access to key players, their shouldn't be a reality where she's selecting 27 player squads, and can't finish a friendly match with more than one player who's actually played regular football for their club as a defender...:confused: pretending Germany has no talent in attack or defense is a fallacy.

    Is it even possible to continue reaching UEFA finals at youth level, and not have defenders or forwards for the senior team? I mean they've never missed a junior WWC either lol. But I'm reading ideas Germany hasn't created enough talent to find quality forwards of defenders...:cautious:
     
  9. Batfink

    Batfink Member+

    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    At the Euro's MVT should be creating a side that will establish itself as a coming force, targeting the WWC as the moment to make a push at actually wining something again.

    Bühl ------------------- Popp -------------------- Däbritz
    ------------------------ Magull -----------------------------
    --------------- Nüsken ------ Oberdorf ------------------
    Simon ---- Hegering ---- Kleinherne ---- Hendrich

    Japan accomplished major successes by having to complete a far more difficult building process, so I'm not suggesting anything crazy. They Just need 14 players... but Germany supposedly can't find 2 real CB's, or select a FB better than Maier...:cautious:
     
  10. Lohmann

    Lohmann Member

    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Since yesterday I have problems to login on bigsoccer. (I don`t know why.) So if you don`t see any comments in the near future it has nothing to do with me being shocked by Germany`s defeat.
     
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  11. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #336 hotjam2, Jun 12, 2021 at 5:05 AM
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2021 at 5:12 AM
    this must be the similar excuse over at YouTube as the usual 3 Germans have yet to post the replay of the game(guess I’ll have to watch it in French)

    it can’t be all bad; at least now the French are stuck with their much ‘hated’ coach probably till the end of Euros. Do you think if MVT looses to Chile, she might get fired?(might be the only way we’ll see Oberdorf ever play mid)
     
  12. Thomsen

    Thomsen Member+

    Aug 6, 2016
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Anyone who knows why Simon and Elsig aren’t nominated anymore…? :cautious:
     
  13. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I watch the first half & it’s been really depressing to say the least. MVT’s rather dry, mechanical style looses out to a more French, free wheeling attack form. The constant back passing to the GK, is scary to say the least, i mean it’s just an mistake or interception waiting to happen. Noticed GER still wants to keep the ball grounded from its back line passing with only its mids occasionally high balling it, but without much success or accuracy. As usual, lot of crosses into the center, lol even though that’s guarded by Renard(who’s generally regarded as the worlds best or at least tallest, in defending headers). So far, no shots on goal from Germany, all though once Huth got behind FR only to fall down. Meantime France had several chances late in the 1st half. Stronger defensive FB’s(instead of Rauch & Maier) could of prevented that but than why MVT wouldn’t of wanted Kleinherne in there as she’s an team mate of GK/Frohms? Don’t think anybody could of prevented that great goal by Dali

    dunno know why Buhl was signaled out for having a good game, as she’s barely taken a shot or successful pass within FR pk zone, but I still got to watch the 2nd half…
    .

    I take it that the usual strong defensive Elsig in winning both header & shoulder battles as well as very accurate with long balls & clearances is not good enough for MVT who in her Total-Futebol version prefers to have CB’s that moves up to become one more viable attacking member…..(pretty much prefers her FB’s that way as well).

    Not sure with Simon, MVT might just want to keep the left FB spot for the returning Gwinn. Both of them will have to battle for time well at BM
     

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