General Injury thread.

Discussion in 'Player' started by AguiluchoMerengue, Jan 13, 2011.

  1. AguiluchoMerengue

    Oct 4, 2008
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I wanted to open this, bc there is not poing of opening a thread for every injury you ever had. So any question you may have about injuries in general, ask about it here.

    Sometimes after playing, my neck is really sorted and the next day is in pain... any trick to try to avoid this?
     
  2. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    sorry dude, you seem injured a lot these days.

    This is probably out there, but I saw a massage therapist over Christmas for a sports massage. And she told me that my muscles were really tight and that I should stretch more regularly. Not just before and after physical activity, but part of my daily routine.

    I can say that it's helped a lot to stretch daily. I used to have regular nagging pains... hamstrings, knee, achilles, shoulder... different part for a different weak.

    The MT said that it's because the tight muscles were pulling against each other and causing pain. For example, your lower back is connected to your glutes which are connected to your hip abductors and hamstrings.
     
  3. Becks7

    Becks7 Member

    Dec 6, 2000
    Hong Kong
  4. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Context, becks. Static stretching to prepare for athletic activity isn't ideal, but it can be useful for general flexibility, assuming the muscles are warm.
     
  5. Becks7

    Becks7 Member

    Dec 6, 2000
    Hong Kong
    Why would one static stretch if it decreases power output?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20300033
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19675479
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19486475
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19910812
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095425

    If you're looking for flexibility... active still beats static. There are generally studies for both sides but if you look at the improved power output with dynamic stretching, I don't see the need for static stretching.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20051728
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17194248

    This one even says static stretching doesn't even improve flexibility?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17685710
     
  6. dawej

    dawej Member

    Jun 23, 2010
    What do you think in general is in common for injury-proned players? I get injured extremely easy, have had problems with a pulled hamstring, ankle, etc.. Most injurys stays for months and doesn't get better at all until i do rehab.

    But there is obiously something wrong if you get several injurys every season that takes weeks and weeks of rehab.
     
  7. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Maybe that these players are unfit. Not in the cardiovascular sense, but that there may be a muscular imbalance. This can happen too if you lift weights a lot, but don't do it properly. Muscles are complementary, meaning that they work in tandem with other muscles.

    I haven't read about this in awhile, but the general idea is that if, for example, your hamstrings are regularly injured then there's a chance your quads or glutes are disproportionately stronger than your hamstrings.

    What do you mean by this? The pain doesn't go away for months? Or you're pain free but the ankle or whatever isn't back to 100% function?

    Again, not a doctor, but if the pain doesn't go away in a few weeks then it might be injured worse than you thought or you didn't stay off it long enough to actually let it heal. Common with young players.
     
  8. dawej

    dawej Member

    Jun 23, 2010
    Thanks for the answer.
    Well i mean, i got injured in my left hamstring, and for over one and a half year i went playing injured, it never got better. Lets say it was on 65-70% or somthing. When i finally started with serious rehab, it felt better but not like before. Lets say its 90% now.

    And another ankle injury i got last summer, still hasn't got much better since then. Though a week back or so i have started with rehab and its feeling a bit better. But again, this injury hasn't gone away for over six months.

    And also, i injured a ligament in my knee about two years ago. I did serious rehab and it got away, but sometimes i feel awkwardness in my knee (especially when its cold outside). Add all those small things and i can only participate in about 2 of 3 training sessions in a season.

    My "specialist" said the basic thing is that you have to rehab the injurys away, but it feels like its a bit too much...
     
  9. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I would listen to the specialist :).

    From how you describe it, it sounds like you never let the hamstring heal all the way through. If it was injured badly you should have stayed off of it for a few weeks completely to let it fully heal. Then rehab is critical because the muscle is/was weak. It needs to be restrengthened. Ever notice how pro footballers must pass a fitness test to play?

    What is your lifestyle like? Are fit and active? Or do you play casually on the weekends?

    Ankles and knees really need rehab after an injury because you need to strengthen the stabilizer muscles around the joint. Perhaps that's why the knee feels "loose".
     
  10. Alexandre Pato 7

    Alexandre Pato 7 Legends that will never be forgotten <3

    Mar 16, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan

    To avoid pulling muscles you should train strength, warm up properly and stretch properly before training. I am a player who has been injured enough and this has helped me a lot. And when you are injured you should let it fully heal
     
  11. Alexandre Pato 7

    Alexandre Pato 7 Legends that will never be forgotten <3

    Mar 16, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Leg stiffnes has plays a role in how high and long you jump, but it doesn't play a role in how fast you run. The flexibilty of the muscles WILL improve by stretching and when your muscles are long enough and prepared for action you will have a much much lesser chance of getting injured, trust me. Also when you stretch and your muscles become more flexible and so- your technique WILL come much easier. Arsenal had to deny some players (young talents) because they needed to stretch more in order for the players to harvest their techniques. But I see the point in flexibilty in
    joints like the hip, where you must train flexibility differently in order to improve you max flexibilty.
     
  12. Becks7

    Becks7 Member

    Dec 6, 2000
    Hong Kong
    You can't just throw anecdotal "trust me evidence" when the studies show that static stretching isn't conducive to performance preparation.

    And to say there is no correlation between jumping and speed, find a sprinter who is fast but has a dismal vertical leap.

    Dynamic stretching = greater speed/agility/vertical leap vs. static stretching
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20634747
     
  13. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Is performance preparation the same as recovering from an injury?
     
  14. Alexandre Pato 7

    Alexandre Pato 7 Legends that will never be forgotten <3

    Mar 16, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Big ass facepalm. I didn't say that jumping and speed didn't have any correlation but that leg stifness only affects your jumping, not your sprinting ( I'm going to find that study I read). My point was that (static) stretching helps you to reduce risk of injury and also with recovery. It also makes your technique easier/better and your body also feels much more prepared when you've done it (properly).
    If you had read the thread you'd seen that this is a thread about injuries not about static stretching vs poweroutput & dynamic stretching or whatever.
     
  15. Becks7

    Becks7 Member

    Dec 6, 2000
    Hong Kong
    The old school, dogmatic view would be to go with static stretching but it's really not the case.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18785063

    The literature goes on for days...
    This one doesn't even sign off on stretching for injury prevention in general.

    http://www.elitesoccerconditioning....ility/DynamicStretchingvsStaticStretching.htm
    http://www.tothemaxfit.com/articles/pdf/FlexibilityInjuryReview.pdf

    If your body isn't prepared to work to full potential aka via static stretching, injuries will occur.
     
  16. elessar78

    elessar78 Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Again, the point is that the guy is ALREADY injured. He's not trying to prepare for competition. The objective here is RECOVERY.
     
  17. balla

    balla Member

    Sep 16, 2004
    Melbourne,Australia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Hi guys,

    A week ago I had a partial meniscectomy on my lateral meniscus in my knee. They did this using arthroscopic knee surgery. Any of you had this before and if so any of you know a rigorous training plan to follow to get back to running around ASAP. Cheers.
     
  18. McWaters12

    McWaters12 Member

    Mar 21, 2009
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Has anyone ever had loose hip joints? Did they pop whenever you lifted your knee high?
     
  19. celeste4life

    celeste4life Member

    Dec 16, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    CA Peñarol
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    I got an ankle injury playing soccer in the summer. I thought it was really bad, but I went to the doctor, and he said I didn't have a fracture so all I should do is rehab. I couldn't put my foot down for about a month but little by little it got better even though I didn't do the rehab. I had some disconfort but it wasn't too bad.

    Now, I got injured playing basketball and its the same ankle. It felt even worst than last time at first. Im also a soccer ref, and I got an assignment for 2 days after my injury, and since I needed the money, I did it. It was one of the most painful experiences of my lifebut after that, I had no problem walking, so it was "good" in a way. Now, a week later, I still reffed, and I played a game, and I feel a lot of pain. Anyone know how to do some "homemade rehab"?
     
  20. balla

    balla Member

    Sep 16, 2004
    Melbourne,Australia
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    You may have torn ligaments which an xray wouldn't show. May need to get an MRI.
     
  21. Effington

    Effington Member

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Hey guys,

    Quick story: At the beginning of every season in high school, I -always- hurt my knees. The injury would usually last a couple months and I'd recover midway or near the end of the season, severely stalling my progress, as well as playing time. For many years, I thought I had bad knees.

    Fast forward 10 years later, and I'm having a personal training session with a friend who was a D-I player. In about five minutes he can tell right away that I have abnormally weak ankles, so bad that I couldn't stand on my plant foot for more than a few seconds. He gave me a few exercises to do for this.

    That was about 3 years ago and I've been actively playing 12 months a year, and haven't had any knee problems since. On top of that, the ankle stability has significantly increased my shot power and many other soccer skills.

    I'm heaps better than I was in high school...what's the saying about if you knew back then what you know now...
     
  22. chrome_vapors

    chrome_vapors Member+

    Oct 15, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hindsight is 20/20?
     
  23. Futbol_Head

    Futbol_Head Member+

    Manchester United
    Aug 18, 2007
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just rolled my ankle last night and can hardly walk...there is some popping going on when i move it from side to side, and a pretty big bump on the right side of my right ankle. I've been icing on and off, but apart from that, does anyone have useful advice? I'm really frustrated atm, as I was a few weeks away from recovering from a calf strain...I just want to play again.
     
  24. p-nutz

    p-nutz Member

    Nov 1, 2009
    Northern Ireland
    Club:
    Boston Breakers
    Nat'l Team:
    Northern Ireland
    Get it seen to! You've a few weeks left of recovery for calf strain, may aswell make sure you start off proper recovery of your ankle asap. You really don't want to end up with a recurring ankle injury, trust me!

    Aside from that, it's the usual rest, ice, compression, elevation. Anti-inflammatories will help reduce swelling and pain, but don't take that as a cue to start doing too much.

    Hope it's not too bad :) I have a dodgy ankle and it's constantly giving me grief, total nightmare to deal with.
     
  25. Juventus_Supporter

    May 29, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    Serbia
    I'm dealing with an ankle injury myself atm, rolled it a while ago, it's soo frustrating because I'm not 100% on what's wrong with it or what to do about it, had scans done, didn't find anything so they put me on anti-inflams and rest, i already rested for 4 weeks before the meds and the pain was still there, tried resting it again with anti-inflams for another 3-4 weeks and the pain is still there when i roll my ankle outwards only, so i thought it might be too much scar tissue between the joint that's being aggravated when the bones rub close together. I'm just trying to massaging it now to get the scar tissue out but even when i walk sometimes and step on an uneven surface the sharp pain hits me. Never had an injury like this.
     

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