General Football Thread - Any other business

Discussion in 'England' started by Marcho Gamgee, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Well it’s totally plausible CAS would rule against any attempt to expel Russia and that’s the logical next step if that happens.
     
  2. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah but it won’t make a difference if CAS overturn them being excluded if everyone else or at least a large majority decide not to play.
     
  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Fifa might simply play a World Cup with just Russia and whatever countries agree to join them.
     
  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Some Legal experts believe there is no way FIFA will be able to legally expel Russia. It looks increasingly likely no World Cup.
     
  5. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Looking more likely according to experts that the World Cup will have to be cancelled as CAS is felt to be unlikely to allow FIFA to do anything but offer Russia a place due to cancelled playoffs.
     
  6. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
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    This is the part where we ask for you to cite these experts and you can't do it.
     
  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #207 Fireburn47, Feb 26, 2022
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2022
    There on other forums. The Yugoslavia precedent from Euro 1992 won’t apply as there is no UN resolution against Russia (Which is because Russia has a veto).
    Plus the IPC also believe Russia would win a case against exclusion from the Paralympics and therefore the same decision would likely apply for the Football.

    It does feel to me FIFA might even try and ban the Polish and Swedish FA’a before Russia considering the total silence from them today.
     
  8. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Which forums? Who are the experts? Where's the IPC's statement?
     
  9. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  10. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Am I missing something? This is all I can see there:

    "At this stage it is understood IPC bosses believe their rules do not allow for Russia to be excluded, and that any such move would be successfully challenged by Russia in court."

    Nothing to suggest that that applies to FIFA's rules too, and nothing about the expert opinions on FIFA and CAS that you were talking about before.
     
  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It’s most likely the same rules. Fifa doesn’t have any additional morality clauses.
     
  12. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Why is that "most likely"? I haven't checked the IPC's rules and FIFA's against each other and it doesn't sound like you have either.
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Because most sporting bodies have the same general rules.
     
  14. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    I'm not saying you're wrong but you've come out a lot of stuff before with an air of certainty that turned out to be nonsense. Why do most sporting bodies have the same general rules? What format are they copying?
     
  15. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    1498005213067816960 is not a valid tweet id
     
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    This will all come down to what CAS decides. Nobody is quite sure what they will decide.
     
  17. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    You keep on saying this but it doesn’t make any difference. England are refusing to play Russia so CAS could make whatever decision they like, it really doesn’t matter if one team won’t turn up to play.
     
  18. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Tweet now deleted. Perhaps they realised they'd got the name of the country wrong, and they may not know this but "the Ukraine" is a significant mistake in this context.
     
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It does because if CAS won’t expel Russia from the play off’s it means there in the World Cup and FIFA won’t be able to reject them so would have to cancel the World Cup as a result of everyone boycotting it.

    But if CAS allow Russia’s suspension next Month the World Cup is not affected.
     
  20. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    None of that would prevent England from refusing to play Russia. If it means we're expelled from tournaments or even from FIFA then so be it, and it might precipitate the end of FIFA. We won't be the only ones taking this line.
     
  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021




    Sounds like FIFA will soon attempt to ban Russia but who knows what CAS will say.
     
  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    UEFA backing the statement which might have a major affect on the Women’s Euro’s if UEFA refuse or are unable to exclude Russia who have qualified.
     
  23. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Does it really make a difference if they compete under a different banner like the Russian Olympic Committee? I mean it’s effectively still Russia so presumably the Countries that state they won’t play them will still stand?
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It doesn’t. The BBC predict it will have no effect. Fifa do mention the option of expelling Russia is on the table and it feels inevitable they will go there as FIFA do have some sense at least.
    Of course CAS could then overrule FIFA and who knows what will happen then.
     
  25. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah, just saw a tweet from the head of the Polish FA who stated that it doesn’t matter what name they play under, Poland still won’t turn up and play them.
     

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