General Football Thread - Any other business

Discussion in 'England' started by Marcho Gamgee, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    The thing is, it doesn't seem like UEFA are trying to stop an independent regulator in principle, it looks like they're contesting specific clauses that Labour are inserting into the bill that would allow them to have significant influence in certain matters.

    It also wouldn't just be England getting banned, it'd be all English clubs getting banned from Europe. It would financially cripple the Premier League change football in England for the rest of our lives.

    When you consider all of that it's hard to imagine the majority siding with the government on this, if that is actually what the punishment would be.
     
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  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I think they would be a feeling that they shouldn’t be a surrender to UEFA over wanting better kick off times and less corrupt and/or national state owners. But the chance of UEFA doing so is surely so slim. They not stupid - it would badly damage the club tournaments and international tournaments.
     
  3. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Probably not, but it's hard to say what they think would be more damaging: banning England from UEFA or allowing the UK government to set what they might see as a dangerous precedent with serious long-term implications.
     
  4. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    I don't know how someone can both follow the media so intently and also fall for the scare stories so constantly.

    The government will moderate on some aspects, UEFA will back down on some aspects, neither side actually have any will to do anything major. The "regulator" itself only exists as the ex government trying to capitalize some popularity off the unpopularity of the super league. They aren't about to get the entire country banned from UEFA over a few easily changeable rules.
     
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  5. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I do wonder with how the battle between the PL, OFA and Fifa over the club World Cup will resolve. The BBC suggest the PL is mainly annoyed at FIFA wanting 18 team leagues as the maximum internationally.
     
  7. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021


    If City did get relegated I wonder if Foden and/or Lewis would stay and have a season or two in the lower leagues at the cost of their England career. Older players like Stones and Grealish would be more likely to go.
     
  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
     
  9. itfcjoe

    itfcjoe Member+

    Oct 8, 2014
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Yes, if people genuinely thought that UEFA won't allow Government interference like this whilst they continuously reward Victor Orban for what he is doing in Hungary then they are beyond help. That it was even reported is laughable client journalism
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    La Liga saying the introduction of the Nations League is one of the problems despite the fact it doesn’t actually add any extra matches to the international calendar,
     
  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #1436 Fireburn47, Sep 17, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2024
    Watch the player strike become international football vs club football with the club game probably winning or at least not losing as much. Clubs have the money and will push out the international game. There is no way clubs will accept international football getting 1/5 or more of a players maximum playing time if a 50 match playing cap comes in - they will be major financial benefits to clubs if all 50 of those are in the club game.

    Clubs have always wanted international football gone and this is the nearest they will get I suspect. I don’t trust players to not sell out their countries for club football no matter how much they say they like international football.
     
  12. KHSAFC

    KHSAFC Member

    Sunderland
    England
    Feb 12, 2023
    I
    l think we could reach a stage where the only internationals played are qualifiers and tournaments with friendlies and the nations league being scrapped. I’m not sure where I stand on that but don’t think it would be the worst thing in the world. International football isn’t going anywhere though. The World Cup is too important.
     
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  13. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    It's hard to know where it's going to land, but international tournaments very clearly aren't going anywhere because players very obviously are desperate to play in them and they're a huge source of revenue.

    It's a dilemma because the Nations League playoffs/summer tournament is a bit of a drag but you do need to have competitive international games throughout the season. About 8 games per season is a good amount imo but you also want players' summers to be completely free in non-tournament years so I don't know how you insert competitive games into the calendar on top of tournament qualifiers.
     
  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    They couid make qualifiers longer but less frequent. But bigger groups in UeFa mean more mismatched matches against.

    Maybe a Swiss league qualifying system could work.

    I wouldn’t be shocked if it ends with no qualifiers and that being done by ranking of leagues etc so the only international matches are tournaments every two years.
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It is to FIFA but it’s not to the people with most money - the clubs.
     
  16. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Villa lost 2-1 away to Young Boys and Liverpool drew 0-0 at Milan in the UEFA Youth League.

    There won't be a tonne of big names from England's youth squads on show in the Youth League this season. Villa only have Kaden Young and he didn't play today, while Liverpool have Nyoni, Pinnington and Ngumoha, but the latter might not play too many minutes given his age.

    Can't see Nwaneri playing much because he'll be with the seniors a lot while MLS might not play every game either so there's not a tonne of representation in Arsenal's side.

    City have a few more with Layke Samuel, Jacob Wright, Nico O'Reilly and Justin Oboavwoduo all likely to see a lot of minutes. Imagine they might involve Mfuni and Mukasa at points too.
     
  17. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I see we’re back on the doomsday scenario for International football once again…..I mean there might be some changes but never in a million years are we going to see no qualifiers and Countries only qualify due to league rankings.
     
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  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Kaden Young is on the bench for Villa’s seniors tonight.
     
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  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cj4dveq15j2o

    Seems like that clause and its wording is the big problem and is proving unpopular across the board.
     
  21. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    It's rightly unpopular. Who wants the clowns in British politics anywhere near English football. It's one of the few internationally successful domestic products we have, the widespread incompetence in parliament would quite quickly find a way to damage it.
     
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  22. Port Vale Fan

    Port Vale Fan Member

    May 30, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Villa will have Kane Taylor and Ben Broggio - they picked that kid up from West Brom too.
     
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  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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  24. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Course yeah, missed Broggio. Forgot they'd signed Taylor too, must be injured atm.
     
  25. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Man City look really poor in the UEFA Youth League, 2-4 down to Inter.

    City have looked completely devoid of any real invention, they've had nearly 80% of the ball and created hardly anything. Both their goals came from errors from Inter players.

    It really is just possession football for the sake of it and it's plaguing academy football in England. No ability to adapt or think off the cuff.
     

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