General Football Thread - Any other business

Discussion in 'England' started by Marcho Gamgee, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. Fireburn47

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  2. Fireburn47

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  4. Fireburn47

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    Will be interesting to see the effect on the French team if the proposed changes to citizenship laws go ahead and a lot more players born in France are ineligible for citizenship until post 18 or older. There has been example in Italy of Players (Mairo Balotelli for one) born in Italy having to wait till 18 to get citizenship. Currently Denmark has the highest proportion in Western Europe of people born and raised all their lives turning 18 without citizenship but they have also rushed a few citizenships through for sporting purposes. (Through I find it odd reports about France calling it birth right citizenship when it’s fairly similar to the UK system of registration but nobody here calls it birth - right.)
     
  5. Fireburn47

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    Another one.
     
  6. manimal

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    Dec 23, 2018

    So you mean that french duals younger than 18ten most likley switch to the other nation than playing for France?



    Also any news on the man city thing with possible relegations because of the FFP charges?
     
  7. Jenks

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    I would be amazed if that happened. I would bet on an unofficial deal being struck, where they're not relegated but the Premier League don't lose face. 50 point deduction or something and the legal challenge goes away .
     
  8. Fireburn47

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  11. horrisengleton

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    The potential ramifications of this are not good given how much Chelsea's academy has contributed to the national team. In the same way every other aspect of Chelsea that their current ownership has put its hands on has declined, it's safe to assume their academy is now going to go south too.
     
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  12. Marcho Gamgee

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    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
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    Seems like an odd move. Why would you as an owner do this unless you plan to get even better people in which I would have thought tough since these guys have been the rock for their academy which has seen so many players come through.
     
  13. horrisengleton

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    Valencia, Spain
    The fan base are absolutely fuming. Think there's probably a chance it's come from Bath and Fraser not being very pleased with the fact the club are treating the academy with a lack of humanity so they're leaving due to irreconcilable disagreements about what its role within the club should be.

    Hopefully another PL club scoops them up because they quite literally built a world-leading academy. Clubs shouldn't want to miss out on that.
     
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  14. Fireburn47

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  15. horrisengleton

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    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...or-role-as-chelsea-overhaul-academy-structure

    Joe Shields spent quite a while at Man City and it seems the belief is that he wants Chelsea's academy structure to mimic that of City.

    There were huge complaints in Germany that Pep Guardiola's time at Barca/Bayern had too much influence on the way football was coached in Germany and led them so far down that road it basically neutralised their talent production line. I very much hope that doesn't happen here.

    Chelsea's academy is so effective at producing first-team ready players that are physical specimens that have complete mastery of basic technique and problem solving. I don't see why they're letting this go to be just another imitation, and most likely an inferior one, of Pep's philosophy.
     
  16. Fireburn47

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    Pep was only at Bayern for three seasons - surely he didn’t have that much influence. .

    And anyway City’s academy have been pretty good at producing English youth talent anyway.
     
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  17. Fireburn47

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  18. horrisengleton

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    It wasn't just his time at Bayern but his Barca period too. Listen to any German person talk about why their talent production dried up and they all say exactly the same thing: that they abandoned their principles and tied themselves to Pep's philosophy. Schweinsteiger said it on the Overlap not long ago.

    City's academy since its restructure hasn't been close to Chelsea's in producing international standard (volume-wise) first team players.

    Even then, what Chelsea do is fairly unique and it'll bad for English football to lose that. Why do we need another Man City when we've already got one?
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

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    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
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    Manchester City FC
    Is there any evidence that Joe Shields will rip everything up at Chelsea that has produced all these players to follow Man City’s way of playing or developing talent?
     
  20. horrisengleton

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    Arsenal
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    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Chelsea Youth on Twitter (who broke the news of Bath and Fraser leaving in the first place) has said the restructuring is likely based on a plan to align the academy and its style of play with that of the first team. Chelsea have obviously appointed Maresca, a Pep disciple, which is a big signal of the direction they intend to go in wrt to playing style.

    That direction is just so fundamentally different to the way Cobham has operated and takes away a big part of why it's so successful at producing top-level footballers. Again, it's just another obvious signal that the people in charge of Chelsea are just constantly pursuing what they perceive to be the flavour of the month.
     
  21. Fireburn47

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    So in your view it’s a concern for the English talent of the 2030’s?
     
  22. horrisengleton

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    Valencia, Spain
    I don't think it's that big of a worry, although it could still be fairly impactful, more just a massive shame. I'd only be very worried if it became a wider trend.
     
  23. Fireburn47

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    Of course the national team could well end up with a Pep disciple as a manager at some point as well.
     
  24. Fireburn47

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  25. horrisengleton

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    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    And there you go. Man City mark two.
     

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