General Football Thread - Any other business

Discussion in 'England' started by Marcho Gamgee, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Sure, as it stands. In any event, I doubt they'd want to given the proximity of Lansdowne Road.
     
  2. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    Exactly.

    Plus FIFA doesn't like multiple stadiums in the same city. That's why Moscow only had 2.

    Same as England would only have 2 in London.

    We couldn't use Old Trafford and the Etihad for example.
     
  3. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    I think the greater difficulty lies in including Northern Ireland, given that Windsor Park has a capacity of 18,000 and they don't have an obvious need for a stadium over twice the size.
     
  4. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I know Spain is Spain, but Croatia losing 6-0 to them is pretty embarrassing if you're the reigning runners up in the World Cup.
     
  5. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
  6. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    It does seem a little bit odd to me that France have five players in all including three from the squad that failed to qualify for the under-17 Euros, while England have two players in all and not a single one from the squad that lost the semi-final on penalties. Perhaps France's talent is all concentrated in a handful of players, but perhaps there's a bit of an inferiority complex going on here too?
     
  7. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    It seems like such a random process.

    Carvalho + Niall Brookwell were in the 20 players from English clubs and they're 2002s but it seems all the rest pretty much were 2001s. Then you've got that Sheff Wednesday lad in there, just like Kun Temenuzkhov was in last year.

    They love to include a player from a small country at a club you wouldn't expect to find them. It's so often equated to that player being great.
     
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  8. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Netherlands 3-0 Germany
     
  9. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
  10. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    At last the EPPP getting some well deserved credit.
     
  11. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Just heard on the radio that the deal to sell Wembley has fallen through with Khan withdrawing his offer. I guess this will have a mixed reaction but I’m not really surprised as the longer this rumbled on it seemed more opposed the deal. I think a stumbling block was that no one really trusts the FA that all the funds raised would go back into grassroots football.
     
  12. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    #88 Garibaldi11, Nov 10, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2018
    Healthy debate shouldn't be stopped so whilst we have had racial debate on our football teams it should be kept dignified.

    So to stop clogging other threads it is best to post in here I feel. I heard they rejected Yann Gboho because of his colour and ethnic origin when 13 and now he is highly regarded at Rennes and France u18.

    It seems like it is an issue in French football too. Particularly PSG.



    Which does surprise me. Their best talents in recent seasons have been non-white bar Rabiot.

    Going through the list
    Areola
    Kimpembe
    Nsoki
    Mbe Soh
    Dagba
    Zagre
    Nkunku
    Adli
    Bernede
    Diaby
    Weah

    Even the players they have lost

    Dan-Axel Zagadou (Dortmund)
    Claudio Gomes (Man City)
    Jean-Kevin Augustin (Leipzig)
    Moussa Dembele (Fulham/Celtic)
    Kingsley Coman (Juventus/Bayern)
     
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  13. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    #89 TopBanana10, Nov 10, 2018
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2018
    It's a very different situation in France than in the UK.

    The controversy there is that the French constitution doesn't allow any kind of discrimination on the basis of race or ethnicity. It's quite clear on that. Positive discrimination is equally frowned upon.

    In the UK it's quite normal to follow the US model of introducing unofficial quotas similar to a Rooney rule when a group is under or over represented. Of course, it should always reflect broader demographics. We can't say for example, that 50% of UK coaches should be black if they only account for 20% of the population.

    My issue is that the UK model is too subjective. To some people, talking about a lack of white players is racist but talking about a lack of black coaches isn't. Or vice versa. It becomes counter productive.

    Therefore, we either take race out of the equation and ban all forms of discrimination or quotas - the colour blind approach.

    The alternative is to take action when a certain group is under or over represented with the aim being to reflect the broader demographics of the nation.
     
  14. TopBanana10

    TopBanana10 Member+

    Millwall
    England
    Sep 8, 2018
    For the record, I don't think that either the under representation of white academy players or black managers are motivated by racism. More just a case of decision makers taking the easier option.
     
  15. The Potter

    The Potter Member+

    Aug 26, 2004
    England
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Mindy Kalings brother wrote a book on this subject. He pretended to be black to get into medical school, successfuly. I've not read the book but what a champ, very funny.
     
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  16. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
     
  17. W.A.S.P.

    W.A.S.P. Member+

    Sep 20, 2012
    St. Louis
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Sounds like a good thing just based on how I've seen many of us have certain opinions about him, especially how he regarded himself as not a football expert back in 2016.
     
  18. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Sorry, just had to share this, didn’t notice this during the game :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    1074364963727335424 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  19. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
  20. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Odd move, I wonder if there is something more to this than simply ending their International careers? Thought Hummels was immense for Bayern against Liverpool the other week so it’s a bold move to leave him out imo.
     
  21. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I can understand them wanting to have a clean slate and blood a younger generation, but publicly ending their international careers for them seems short-sighted and somewhat on the arrogant side. Germany don't seem to me to be so brilliant that they can be confident of never needing them again.
     
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  22. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Beckham was effectively retired by McLaren in 2006, only to come back and make 20 more appearances. These things aren't always as final as they're presented.

    That said, I don't think it's a terrible idea. They've kept a few experienced heads in Neuer, Kroos, and Reus (if he can stay fit), and they have good, young players in these guys' positions. The only one that looks a little unwarranted to me is Hummels, but they have Süle, Kehrer, and Tah, so I don't think they'll struggle. Rüdiger too, if you're a fan, but I'm not.
     
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  23. Garibaldi11

    Garibaldi11 Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Anyone seen that Man City Under 5 'Elite' Team Photograph doing the rounds ?

    Obviously coming in for some criticism.
     
  24. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah, not seen the photo but posted a tweet about it on the opportunity thread. It doesn’t sit well with me I must say and on the tweet it mentions that 4 year olds being told there not good enough?!? I mean what in God’s name is that all about if it’s true!
     
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