General Football Thread - Any other business

Discussion in 'England' started by Marcho Gamgee, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    EFL clubs will next month vote on an expansion of the Championship play-offs to six teams after being given approval to pursue the radical change by the Football Association's board - The Guardian
     
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021


    Thomas Frank gone.
     
  3. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Helpful for my thesis that managers are grossly overrated.

    Frank was lauded for his work with Brentford and got the job at Spurs on the back of this. Yet Brentford have continued to prosper in his absence.

    Brentford are owned by Matthew Benham who is an Oxford physics grad, a professional gambler and an expert in data analysis. He uses his expertise in these fields to find quality footballers that are somewhat unknown through data analysis. Frank was not the reason why Brentford prospered, it was in fact the players brought by Benham and his team. Frank may have even been holding them back.

    Give the Spurs job to a random English manager from The Championship and they'd most likely significantly outperform Frank.
     
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  4. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Farcical that you could finish eighth and get promoted.
     
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  5. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I'm expecting Fireburn to say tuchel will take the job
     
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  6. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I think tactics are grossly overrated but managers matter quite a lot. I just think coaching is far more of a psychological discipline than anything else.

    "Tactics" in the modern game have a detrimental effect as often as they have a positive one imo. The game belongs to the players and any tactical setup is only good if it's based around empowering the qualities possessed by those players, which unfortunately many aren't.
     
  7. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    When you have heavily analytical driven teams most things are determined for the coach. Going from that to Spurs is like going from one extreme to the other.

    The difference I think is most top teams want a top coach to gain an edge (motivational, tactical, pattern of play etc) with their elite player options. Analytical teams try to eke out a collective type of efficiency.
     
  8. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    As a Boro fan, this would’ve benefited us several times since we last got relegated in 2017 and I still think it’s a ludicrous idea.

    We were nowhere near deserving and/or equipped to get promoted in those seasons or even have a shot. The teams that finished third/fourth were significantly better than us and that applies to any other club that finished 7th/8th compared to 3rd/4th.

    There’s arguably already a strong argument that the playoffs should be scrapped for a more meritocratic option of just having a top three get promoted, despite the drama and excitement of them.
     
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  9. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Agree on the above. Is personally scrap them, but it's money talking here.
    Also, teams get no real advantage from finishing higher in the playoff positions, and the team that comes third are often dealing with disappointment going into the games, whereas a team who crept in after a late hot streak can be flying.
     
  10. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    On a macro level, I do wonder whether the disastrous tenures of Frank and Amorim, together with the way things have gone very south for Slot, marks the end of a certain breed of coach at the highest level.

    It feels like these technocratic, process oriented figures just aren’t cut out for the big jobs. Aside from their own lack of personality and ability to deal with the scrutiny of managing these big clubs, the fans of these sides also don’t connect with them at all.

    I always used to think that DNA was overrated and overused as a concept in football. However, when I look at the relationship that United fans had with Amorim, Chelsea with Maresca at times, Spurs fans with Frank and increasingly Liverpool with Slot it becomes more obvious that it’s a very real thing and not just a tenuous buzzword.

    I wonder whether we’ll see a renaissance of coaches with big personalities like Mourinho, Klopp etc over the medium term.
     
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  11. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    As a Blackburn fan twice we finished 7th. We would have been absolutely humiliated if we gotten promoted
     
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  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    The Super League is dead. Real Madrid settle with UEFA and abandon it. I wonder what they offered Real Madrid through.
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

    Feel like from a footballing perspective this will have a negative effect on Man United’s English players present and future who are not always popular with their international online fan base. It might also cause Carrick to be associated negatively if he gets appointed full time.
     
  14. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    He talks a lot about UK politics for a bloke who moved his business out of the UK to avoid paying UK tax, isn't predominantly a UK resident, yet wants the taxpayer to fund a new stadium for the club he owns. The hallmark of a true patriot.

    He's also a complete ********ing dimwit since he claims in the interview that the UK population has risen by 12 million people since 2020.
     
  15. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Replacement migration is happening and at an accelerated pace, the governments own ONS figures demonstrate this. The liberal establishment's response so far has been to deny reality and then get confused when people gravitate to the "far right". Interesting to see members of the billionaire class that is in large part responsible for this making noise about it though. Maybe because they sense which way the wind is blowing with AI and automation on the horizon?

    In any case I think the scope for a football-relate discussion on this is going to be pretty limited.
     
  16. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Technically he's correct. For over two thousand years the UK has been colonised by immigrants. Celts, Romans, Jutes, Saxons, Vikings, Normans just to start with.
     
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  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I think it will go into a football discussion because of the major split it’s causing within Man United’s fanbase with several fan groups putting out statements and politicians reacting. If it was international week now the media would be trying to get players and Tuchel to comment. Carrick is lucky he doesn’t have a press conference until next Thursday or Friday.
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Sean Dyche sacked. Forest on their fourth manger of the season.
     
  19. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Feel conflicted as I actually like Forest as a Club, just one of those great Clubs from my youth that just sticks with you growing up but my god I kind of want them to get relegated, just can’t stand the mafia boss who runs them, such an unlikeable character.
     
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  20. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    This. I think everyone who grew up in the 70s and the 80s have a soft spot for Forest, Clough, European Cup etc., but Marinakis is perhaps the most obnoxious owner in English football, which is an achievement in this field of competition.
     
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  21. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Radcliffe obviously meant what he said, otherwise he wouldn’t have said it. You can disagree with him, but all these people asking him to apologise are stupid. It’s completely hollow.
     
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  22. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Bonkers that forest sack dyche just to bring in a guy that had wolves bottom of the epl
     
  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Israel and Ireland in the same Nations league group. That will make the Villa/Maccabi match look mildheated. Ireland have confirmed they will not boycott despite being in favour of an Israel ban from UEFA. (I think if they had (Or end up doing) boycotted it it would put their matches at Euro 2028 at risk both from UEFA reaction and domestic reaction here in England).
     
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  24. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    People attack Arteta’s playing style which is fair enough but it feels like he’s never even watched most of the players his team has signed for him.
     
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  25. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    Slot is one of the most unlikeable managers I have seen in a long time.

    An excuse or explanation in almost every press conference and zero accountability.
     
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