General Football Thread - Any other business

Discussion in 'England' started by Marcho Gamgee, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Euro 96 was another one. We had home advantage and yet celebrated reaching a semi final as a great achievement. I thought we were bang average through most of that tournament
     
  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

     
  3. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021


    Knowing the PFA they will propose a strike but only for international football and hope that will succeed.
     
  4. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    The PFA are a waste of space and the reason the costs soared for fans paying for tickets, TV packages etc is partly driven by the PFA who think the players should continue to get ridiculous salaries with a high percentage of the profits should be with the players! I haven’t read the article but what’s the proposed salary cap limit?

    Also, why would the PFA try to get players to strike from playing Internationals when it’s against the salary cap which has nothing to do with International football? That makes no sense!
     
  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Five times the income the lowest team in the PL gets.

    Both Manchester Clubs strongly opposed (Sir Jim Ratcliffe has publicly spoken against it a few months ago.

    And the current PFA leadership openly hate international football.

    Must be chance Newcastle vote for it just so their owners can benefit by poaching players for the Saudi League.
     
  6. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    hope this goes through and sooner the better.
     
  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I wonder how many ‘ unsafe ‘ cities are in Republican run councils?
     
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  8. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    It's just a reality that in some Democrat cities certain types of crime is basically ignored for political reasons, whether it be looting from particular demographics or ICE facilities being attacked. They are petty and radical enough now to allow the tournament to become a farce just to spite Trump. It is partisan over there on a completely different level to the UK.
     
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  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Indonesia have sacked Patrick Klulvert after they were eliminated from qualifying,
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Looking on social Media it seems Italian Fans are mainly blaming the Qualification system than their team and players for them very likely needing the playoffs.
     
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  11. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3561 Fireburn47, Oct 16, 2025
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    Be interesting to see if UEFA actually agree with this (They have in the past opposed bans on away fans for security reasons) as well as if there is any political controversy about it (certainly can see some politicians saying the police are scared of protestors etc.
     
  12. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Wasn't there something in the Netherlands with Israeli football supporters basically bragging about the genocide and then getting battered by people who lived locally?
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Well that is one side of the story but the other (And the view of the Dutch Government) is that is was mainly the opposite happened.
     
  14. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    That is a disgraceful decision. We can’t guarantee the safety of opposition fans so they aren’t allowed to come and watch a football match. This is just appeasement to mob tactics.
     
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  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3565 Fireburn47, Oct 16, 2025
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    I give it 48 hours at most till it’s changed . Even Goverment politicians are condemning it now so it’s hard to see the current line holding.

    But it’s possible it ends with no fans at all and a behind closed doors match or it getting moved to a neutral Venue. (Budapest is where home matches of Israeli teams have mostly been held)
     
  16. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Nothing is likely to change. Wast Midlands Police took a similar approach with Legia Warsaw a couple of years ago.

    https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/30/club-statement-aston-villa-legia-warszawa/

    Maccabi fans seem to attract trouble (to put it mildly). Other Israeli teams don't appear to generate the same violence when playing abroad. It's not just the Amsterdam situation as well - there were unprovoked attacks from them when they played in Athens last year.
    They're not a pleasant bunch of fans, known for directing racist abuse against their own players.
     
  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    That was at very short notice (The evening of the match) and didn’t involve Israel and the polarising nature of the Middle East.

    I can’t see the Goverment supporting it when some of their peers and MP’s are speaking out against it. And if the Goverment doesn’t support it doubt WMP will be able to hold the line for too long.
     
  18. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    ‘they have public safety concerns outside the stadium bowl and the ability to deal with any potential protests on the night.’

    The Warsaw statement is at pains to mention non engagement from the Polish club with regards to their fans.

    This statement doesn’t even mention opposition fans.
     
  19. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Maccabi fans really do have a sizeable (to put it lightly) contingent of fans that are completely awful. I'm not a fan of collective punishment but that's not exactly without precedent when it comes to sanctioning football fans for behaviour.
     
  20. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    No, but it's clearly implied. A protest would only lead to safety concerns if there were the expectation of a reaction, and Maccabi's fans reputation travels with them.
    It's likely the police just don't want an escalation, and it's easier to restrict a few thousand known people traveling to the country than protestors who could be coming from anywhere relatively near.
    I can certainly see how it can appear over the top, but the job of the police is to protect and maintain order. The ability of some people to watch a football match is secondary to them.
     
  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3571 Fireburn47, Oct 16, 2025
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    Apparently Aston Villa are selling tickets for this as an open sale anyway so I’ve seen some of their fans worry that people will buy tickets just so they can invade the pitch or cause other trouble regardless of the absence of away fans.

    The protestors will still be there anyway because the team is obviously still there. And this decision means there is now more likely to be a bigger counter protest in support Maccabi/Israel.

    But I just don’t see it staying as it was decided today. Seems nailed on to be a debate in Parliament next week and that won’t be easy viewing for WMP and Aston Villa I suspect.
     
  22. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Not implied very well. The reaction to that statement means I am not alone in my bemusement.

    I’m not going to dive into it all but it was proven that events that were claimed to have been performed in Amsterdam by Maccabi fans were untrue. I’ve never even heard of them having a bad travelling reputation until recently. How many were even expected to have been coming?

    This decision looks like a spectacular own goal.
     
  23. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC


    (Presented without comment because I don't really know the facts about this)
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3574 Fireburn47, Oct 16, 2025
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    It means it will be u turned by this time tomorrow.

    It’s going to be the most covered Europa league match ever now - probably see Sky and the BBC camped outside all day showing the buildup live and everyone waiting for and praying they won’t be any violence.
     
  25. #3575 feyenoordsoccerfan, Oct 16, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 16, 2025
    Nope, that pogrom nonsense has been bashed by footage showing exactly what the cause of the riots were.
    The police for a long while thought the lost evidence of the crimes committed by the Maccabi thugs ( to be clear, these were a known gang for the Israeli government and in Israel actively beating up opponents of bibi and did the same thing in Greece), so our DoJ couldnot ftle charges against them, but these footages somehow were found again.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-how-fan-violence-became-a-political-football
     
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