General Football Thread - Any other business

Discussion in 'England' started by Marcho Gamgee, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Just watching the Sweden team applauding their fans and walking off the pitch. Can actually see quite a few fans clapping them off too. Massive difference in mentality compared to say our fans who would be giving them hell!
     
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  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    #3527 Fireburn47, Oct 13, 2025
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    The Nations League results mean they have a very good chance of the playoffs so will he use that as a reason to stay till then.
     
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  3. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The average England fan is completely irrational which often creates an unnecessarily toxic atmosphere but this is worse imo. If a team isn't held to proper standards and isn't harshly criticised when it deserves to be, it creates a culture of accepting low standards. You avoid the toxicity but players just get way, way too comfortable. There's undoubtedly a healthy midpoint between that and what we have with England but Sweden's end of the scale is definitely worse imo.
     
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  4. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Northern Ireland will be annoyed by that game. Let in a soft set piece to lose a tight game. Seemed like it was the type of game they desired but they couldn’t get anything out of it.
     
  5. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    #3530 Regis Prograis, Oct 13, 2025
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    England haven’t lost a World Cup qualifier since 2009, Sweden have lost 2 in 4 days, the level of expectation, performance and mentality is just massively different between the two nations.
     
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  6. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    With the fixtures left they could still conceivably finish second in the group as well. But they collapse this qualifying round is quite remarkable given some of the talent in that team.
     
  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Oh yeah definitely but there was a real level of hope with this current crop that they would at least get to the World Cup, still might but I doubt it. JDT getting a bit of a rough ride with Swedish studio guests in post match interview.
     
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  8. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Getting a play off places guaranteed through a nations league is unfair. If a team is shit in qualifying that should be it
     
  9. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
    7% less than when they beat us in 2016! though they managed to muster up 5 shots on target for their two goals back then.
     
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  10. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    Has been so for a while, neither Theate nor Debast would have gotten near the Belgian NT squad never mind the first eleven for arguably all of the 2012-2020 period. Probably longer than that.
    Even guys most people outside Belgium have probably long forgotten like Nicolas Lombaerts, were so much better CB options. And Lombaerts was like the third tier for a lot of the time when he was on the squad.

    We have decent fullback options coming up, but unless Koni Dewinter makes the leap, no clear good prospects at CB.
     
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  11. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

    Club Brugge
    Belgium
    Aug 19, 2002
    Belgium
    Club:
    Club Brugge KV
    I think we have decent young prospects at fullback, in midfield, wingers. Less so at CF and absolutely none at CB. Also lots of good young goalkeepers.
     
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  12. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    Just noticed Sweden lost to Kosovo. They look to be as good as out.
     
  13. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    You have good quality in other areas but centreback is a million miles from vamealon vehrtongen kompany and aulidiweireld. Excuse the spelling
     
  14. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Looking at the current Nations League group winner rankings, if they don’t finish second there’s a high probability that they will be one of the four wildcards from that ranking that qualify for the playoff round.
     
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  15. ht_hu96

    ht_hu96 Member+

    Middlesbrough
    England
    May 23, 2019
    I would also add that I think that the hostile, “turn on the team” style receptions only happen during genuine horror shows. Algeria in 2010, Iceland, losing 4-0 at home to Hungary are genuinely appalling results and performances where the fans are fully within their rights to let the players know what they think.

    I don’t think anybody responds that way when we come up short against the good teams in major tournaments, if anything I think we’re not critical enough. There was a real “it’s the taking part that counts” style response after we lost to Italy despite it being an absolutely golden opportunity. Not saying we should’ve booed the players and team off the pitch, but do think there should’ve been more disappointment expressed and criticism in the wake of that than there was.
     
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  16. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Jdt sacked
     
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  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Graham Potter might replace him.
     
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  18. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Out the frying pan into the fire
     
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  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    South Africa have become the 23rd team to Qualify for the World Cup.
    Nigeria are into the CAF play off’s. (With Cameroon and two more to decided this evening)
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Qatar the next time to qualify for the World Cup. UAE into the playoff match.
     
  21. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Saudi Arabia also qualified for the World Cup this evening. Iraq will play the UAE for a spot in the inter confederation playoffs.
     
  22. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Senegal and Cote D’Ivoire (Ivory Coast) are the last two automatic African qualifiers.
    Gabon, Cameroon. DR Congo and Nigeria will enter the playoffs for a single sport and inter confederation playoffs.
     
  23. andals

    andals Member

    Jun 13, 2015
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  24. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    We have bigger ambitions
     
  25. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Yeah the Italy one was weird. I guess our first major final since 1966 was always going to produce a positive reaction regardless but I do think there were pockets of very intense criticism. I think people have probably become more critical of that one over time too.
     
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