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Discussion in 'Vancouver Whitecaps' started by JohnnyRanger, Jun 30, 2011.

  1. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
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    Vancouver Whitecaps
    so i gather you dont like herdman's glamor, glitz and positive statements

    but on the game vs the usa with a loss of 4-1, i do put the blame on john- his player and game tactics undermined the team's confidence and belief- why he did that is a puzzle

    IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT TRY TO FIX IT
     
  2. tm13

    tm13 Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Rocky Mountains
    Herdman was never the best choice. The CMNT job is his FIRST head coaching position of a men's team. That is NOT an entry level job. He has the best players we've had in 2 decades and is not getting it done. But don't worry, I'm sure the old boys club at the CSA will praise him and keep him around.

    He never should have been given the job. He is totally unqualified.
     
  3. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    You are bang on . I was a big OZ fan and I must have wrote here back then how disgraceful he was treated.

    John wanted to move up and leave the Canadian Women's team and told the CSA if they want him to stay, he has to have the Men's team. They decided they had to keep him but of course the problem was they had a guy in OZ. So, stories get said and whispered that he was a problem (he was in one sense as he was pushing for change with how the provincial associations operate within the CSA - big problem and old boys network ). They eventually got a couple of media people to hard sell OZ was a problem (i am not accusing them of willingly lying but perhaps they were fed things they thought were true), and hes out. just not the way to go about things .But John speaks well, is highly charasmatic, and most of all is willing to work within the CSA and provincial structures without pushing hard for change like OZ and Floro did.

    I just look at his results so far. And we can't count all the laydown opponents, they have faced three tough ones, Haiti and the US twice. He is 1-2 including blowing a 2-0 halftime lead.

    I am not blaming that squarely on John, but there is a consensus that he was out managed in the two losses; and to move Davies to LB in the 2nd US game and completely change a winning dynamic was strange.

    And its still funny that since 1986, our two best WCQ campaigns were the two that Bobby managed. We haven't made the hex since then.

    This roster is the best we have ever had, just serious talent. If they don't qualify for 2022 even if they have to go through the grand backdoor tournament, it would be highly disappointing.

    I dont think he is "the guy", but he talks well and build relationships well so I would not be surprised if he gets to stick around for 2026 when we get in automatically.
     
  4. tm13

    tm13 Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Rocky Mountains
    LOL. For all the flack he gets (and yes he deserves a lot of it) he was a very good player and coach.
     
  5. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Yes, he was a very good manager right from 87 up until he got sacked by the CSA. His teams played a very entertaining style and he got good results. And of course he had a great playing career.

    I like to remember that Bobby. Not the guy that was crippled under Kerfoots direction and turned into disgraced executive. I dont know if he misses being President, but his life must be a whole lot more relaxed and enjoyable.
     
  6. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    watch this goal from Phonzie in a friendly game today: (as posted on GC)

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/CANMNT?src=hashtag_click

    whats amazing to me is his right foot flicking back behind his left boot to make a forward pass-- does that make sense?? few players in the world can do that type of quick thinking and have the skill to pull it off- its one of the most unusual passes you will ever see and he does it at almost top speed!!

    the Kid is becoming a world class player … and we are lucky to have seen him in his early days and now have him play for the red and white
     
  7. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    strong rumor- Ottawa in CPL for 2020- sponsored by athletico madrid

    medium rumor- Mark Anthony Kaye to club brugge in transfer - hard to believe that LAFC would let him go - even GC had a mock cap line-up with kaye in the #6 position

    MDS is saying he hopes to sign MF(s) soon - he cant wait until the summer to get a top-notch MF
     
  8. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps


    ex-whitecap coach, carl robinson, sitting next to his agent, david baldwin, who lined up a litany of failed signings like marvin emnes and Bernie ibini

    the whitecaps can only hope that carl does sign-on to be bottom-dwellers Newcastle's new head coach- will save the Club some money

    soccer people who had carl pinned for a top job in England were rather foolish... and soccer-knowledgeable people know that carl has HUGE flaws in his coaching and its why he hasn't landed a good gig - the main flaw being that he is capable of analyzing his tactics, strategies and recruitment and then making adjustments- a coach who is not a learner of the game will suffer more failures than successes
     
  9. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    the A-1 league in Australia has listed carl as newcastle's head coach
     
  10. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    and Baldwin is his player pipeline once again. Marvin Emnes is still un attached !
     
  11. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    will marvin get a phone call ??
     
  12. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    If he still wants to play it wouldnt surprise me if he get a trial down there if Carl is the coach.
     
  13. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    of course, I meant to INCAPABLE
     
  14. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
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    Vancouver Whitecaps
    gotta grease the palms
     
  15. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    From GC forum- So looks like no Ranko or Owusu for Portland because of visa issues, but Godoy got his sorted earlier this week. He’s here, but rehabbing a calf injury suffered in San Diego

    sounds like 2019 all over again-- the Club and MDS has had 4 months to get new players and have them in for training camp to set the season up for a more positive start and to bring hope, trust and belief

    there is supposed to be new knowledgeable regime in the FO and MDS had supposedly learned his lessons from 2019 re:recruiting- after cavallini, what really has changed for 2020?? do you see the same pattern emerging ?? word has it that ranko's injury might be longer term (another khimiri??)

    GROAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  16. OldFan2015

    OldFan2015 Member

    Nov 29, 2015
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    I hear you. Not big improvements beyond Lucas. They seem to have stayed within the MLS funded money still, even Cavellini was bought down so not a ton of cash out of Mr Kerfoot's wallet.

    The next casualty will be MDS if they are not in a reasonable position come June.
     
  17. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES:

    ex-Cap coach, carl robinson, has done it again- he went to player agent, david baldwin, who sent a litany of failed players to the Club and robo signed them

    now robo in his new team, Newcastle, in the Australia league, has signed ex-Cap, Bernie ibini and is going after more of baldwin's stable for signings

    I always said that robo's achilles with the Caps and for his career was his inability to learn from his mistakes

    https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/ibini-returns-to-a-league-with-newcastle-jets
     
  18. tm13

    tm13 Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Rocky Mountains
    Yet our play is looking a lot better. I know it's just pre-season but it is much better than last year's. We'll see shortly as March is 4 games: SKC(h), LAG(a), Col(h), NYC(a). We really need to win against SKC & Colorado.
     
  19. hot potato

    hot potato Member+

    Feb 21, 2014
    Club:
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    after watching the preseason game vs Minnesota- and yah a nice way to end the preseason, which means zippity-doo-dah- I came away more impressed with the team chemistry and unity on the field, linking of passes on the ground and the pressuring to win the ball back- those were the best parts of the game- Montero's goal was the icing

    in 2019, the team was usually very disjointed, but on Saturday, the team played as a UNIT- if the Caps add 2 good players (nothing significant, though), then I think 2020 offers us some hope that a corner has been turned and a truck isn't coming on the other side

    March will tell us a lot about what we have, but the MF still has to be beefed up - I will be there at the home opener- I am predicting a crowd in the 24 000 range
     

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