Garlick to Dallas?

Discussion in 'Colorado Rapids' started by cljco, Dec 11, 2003.

  1. cljco

    cljco New Member

    Jul 8, 2003
    Denver
  2. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS draft picks might be the second most inflated currency in the world, right after airline miles.

    We've traded away so many draft picks that we're just trying to avoid draft pick administratrion.
     
  3. wcgcapone

    wcgcapone Member

    Feb 6, 2001
    Denver, CO, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Usually you have to pay to get cancer removed, we should consider ourselves lucky.
     
  4. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ouch.
     
  5. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has Dallas' #1 pick already gone to DC? If not, pick that one up for Garlick and then get someone like Ben Olsen from United for the Adu pick. Olsen back at full strength could be the winger we need!
     
  6. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can hear the screams from RFK now.
     
  7. chilistrider

    chilistrider Together We Rise

    May 9, 2002
    Thornton, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oooh! Yes, I want Ben!! (Double entendre intentional)
     
  8. cljco

    cljco New Member

    Jul 8, 2003
    Denver
    Hmmmmmmm.... With or without the beard??

    (Sorry guys but we gals patienly sit by and listen to y'all talk about the hot chick who shows up on the side of the screen and "where's the picture of the hot rapids ticket rep in her thong," etc... so bear with us while we debate the advantages of showing up to games early so we can watch the teams stretch.)

    But back to the subject.... I think DC gave their number one pick to Dallas in exchange for Freddy Adu by-passing the draft order. Dallas has two first round picks this year. At least right now.
    Draft picks don't always get you much though unless we get lucky and land the next Damani Ralph. If Dallas is gonna give something up for Garlick, how 'bout giving us Ezra Hendrickson? We still need to pump up our defense on the right side and Ezra's a brick wall in that position. He'd get over being traded twice in a year soon enough.
     
  9. chilistrider

    chilistrider Together We Rise

    May 9, 2002
    Thornton, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Without the beard. Definitely. And he is sorely in need of a haircut. Lately he looks a little too much like Grizzly Adams.

    Yes, but back to the subject. If we're going to take on another 'keeper, how about Clint Baumstark from D.C.? He's from good ol' Thornton, and I think he's at a stage in his career where he wouldn't get his nose in a snit if he has to ride the pine behind Cannon.
     
  10. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Dallas has given up their number one pick, sorry.

    Regardless, if you think Garlick is worth the first pick in the draft, you're crazy.
     
  11. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you see the season Garlick had or were you too busy crying about Dallas' season? The MLS draft has proven to be an excercise in luck. Remember, Alecko Eskadarian was the number one pick last year. So I think getting a number one keeper like Garlick for the #1 pick is a no brainer. Let the Rapids guess about talent.
     
  12. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    I think you guys are in luck. The new Dallas management seems determined to give too much for your garbage - ie Garlick. The player that you are desperate to dump seems like a lock to be overpayed for now.

    And the way the rumor goes, we plan to then give away one of our best prospects, Countess, for nothing just to make room for your refuse.

    If I were you, I'd pull the trigger on all deals with Dallas. They don't seem to have any idea what they are doing right now.
     
  13. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    ("Usually you have to pay to get cancer removed, we should consider ourselves lucky."

    Third post in the thread.)

    Yeah I saw the season Garlick put in. I also saw Garlick get replaced by Joe Cannon at the end of the season. Garlick may be a decent keeper, but he's not exactly extraordinary. Since you clearly don't agree, here's who I consider better: Kevin Hartman, Pat Onstad, Zach Thornton (MLS 2003 GK of the year finalists); Joe Cannon (replacing Garlick); Adin Brown and Jonny Walker (personal preference); maybe Nick Rimando. So, in my opinion, Garlick is, at best, the 7th best keeper in the league, maybe the 8th. He's 31, he's not going to improve, and he was looking to go overseas. And the US is full of talented keepers.

    Meanwhile, although the MLS draft may be a little bit of a crapshoot (every draft is), there's still a lot (lot) of talent available in it. I might be willing to trade Alecko for Garlick, but I definitely wouldn't trade Rico Clark, Nate Jaqua, Mike Magee, Todd Dunivant, Memo Gonzalez, or Pat Noonan for him.

    So, while I appreciate your concern for what the Burn do, I think it's pretty clear that this move would not be in their best interest. And, even if it were, it wouldn't be possible, because they don't hold the number one pick anymore - D.C. does. (and, if you seriously think that a Garlick for Adu trade is fair...)
     
  14. bigdush

    bigdush New Member

    Jul 22, 2003
    Parker, CO
    Please return to the Burn forum if you plan on perpetuating sillines.
     
  15. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    Garlick is not worth a first round draft pick ... and draft picks are VERY important ... it's how you find the "next" guy ... the Martinos, the Beasely's, the Boconagras. Of course they can back fire as well ... but if you don't try you'll never get them and this team will never win a cup. Because those are the players that make make you a contender.

    Move Garlick now and take ANYTHING Dallas will give us. He's an average goalie at best, and Cannon has MUCH more talent.
     
  16. ignatz

    ignatz New Member

    Jun 3, 2001
    Washington, DC
    DC gave up an "allocation" that it presumably will get when Marco Etcheverry retires for Adu. Of course, if Marco doesn't retire, MLS will go to Plan B. Dallas already had DC's #1 pick in the 2004 draft in the deal that brought Ronald Cerritos to DC in exchange for Ali Curtis.

    To some of us in DC, the idea that we got something special in all of this is far from certain. Understandably, MLS wanted Freddy, and Freddy's Mom said it had to be the home town team or nothing, so the home town team it was. As exciting as Freddy might be, and as great as his future might be, I don't think DC's problems will be cured next year by a 14 year old. I hope I'm wrong.

    In any event, it seems clear that this was no real trade in the conventional sense. It was MLS telling both Dallas and DC, "This is the way it's going to be." And that's the way it was.
     
  17. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    The thing that kills me is that Colo would take anything from anyone to get rid of Garlick. They just want him gone, period. So what does Dallas do? Start a bidding war with themselves apparently, determined to pay dearly for an unwanted commodity that Colo would probably give away for nothing if they had the chance.

    Great work Dallas FO.
     
  18. cljco

    cljco New Member

    Jul 8, 2003
    Denver
    Hey Greenie...

    So Greenie, do you have some factual insight on the Ezra Henrickson issue you mentioned on the Rapidsfan site making this a realistic possibility? Or is it just hopeful speculation? Like I said earlier, if Dallas wants Gralick that bad, take him, but Hendrickson's the guy we should be demanding in return, given our current needs. To hell with the draft picks. We'll even throw in Wes Hart as part of the deal!!
     
  19. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Dallas would be fools to give up anything more than a 3rd round draft pick or Bobby Rhine to get Garlick. It's not that he's that bad, it's just that no other team in the league would give anything for him, and Colorado are desperate to get rid of him.

    Dallas could probably just wait around and pick him up off the waiver wire if they were patient enough.
     
  20. He's In Fashion

    Jan 7, 2000
    Littlefun, CO, US
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I WISH TO GO ON RECORD RIGHT NOW....

    IF! this is hankinson's intention... to get Ezra for Garlick, and this can happen...

    It would finally allow hankinson his final piece to the puzzle... The right back that allows Chung, and Hendo and all those in the midfield the free reign he's been fantasizing about... I am willing to let this happen...

    I like Scott Garlick, he is a quality keeper, that any MLS team should be able to win with... However, with the introduction of Cannon, and our current circumstances... I feel that adding EZ behind Henderson would put this team over the top... pressure all over the field would be relieved... I hope you're right about this one Greenie...

    This is the one and only circumstance in which I could forgive hankinson for his miscalculations...

    That right-back spot killed us in too many a crucial game...

    As much abuse as I have hurled at A-league/Riverhound EZ, I'll take him in a heartbeat... if only we could get him for Trembly and Hart...
     
  21. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Yet no team in the world other than Dallas has even the remotest interest in him. That's going to deflate his trade value to basically nothing, unless the Dallas FO are utter morons.

    Colorado has two choices. Keep Garlick and his relatively high salary for a backup, and put up with his bitching to the press about the organization. Or trade him to Dallas for a bag of beans just to get his salary off the books, and his mouth out of town.

    Of course you can always hold out in the hopes that Dallas will stupidly cough up much more than Garlicks actual market value (nothing), which might actually happen.

    I kind of anticipate an eyeball-to-eyeball showdown, with Colorado waiting on Dallas to foolishly convince themselves that Garlick really does have some value, and Dallas waiting for Colorado to just waive the guy.
     
  22. Tony Cheval

    Tony Cheval New Member

    Mar 17, 2000
    Colorado
    ...wait, Ezra's a brick wall at right back?

    Apparently you never saw what the Galaxy fans called him: DINO. (Defender In Name Only)
     
  23. Northcal19

    Northcal19 New Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    Celtic Tavern LODO (
    That's cool, our attack could use some movement. Especially if Chris H plays in front of him on the right flank, he can cover the back while EZ pushes up. Or one of our many d-mids could track back a bit to cover. I would love to see a threat from the back line like EZ here in Denver.
     
  24. Ringer

    Ringer Member

    Aug 7, 1999
    Littleton, CO
    PleaZE...No EZ. There are better right backs in the league. He's on his way out. He does not solve any defensive issues.
     
  25. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO

    Actually there really aren't that many better right backs ... that's why we have Wes Hart and Dallas traded for EZ.
     

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