GAME 19: Good @ Evil 8/9/08 [R]

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by SixKick, Aug 3, 2008.

  1. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't hate Logan!


    (Although I'm not a huge fan either!)
     
  2. oldguyfc

    oldguyfc New Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    Chicago
    It's extremely hard to watch a game with a magnifying glass, so, until such a time that I can, I'll continue to say that his "impact" is negligible, and at best, at a "collegiate level". People continually scream about long balls from the back; well, unless Blanco comes back into his own half for the ball, most of the time Pause doesn't show for the ball, and when he does, plays negatively right back to the defense more times than not. He has a difficult time turning and moving forward with the ball. His work on the defensive side of the ball is hardly world class, although he does a yeoman's job.

    And this has nothing to do with "hating" anyone, either.
     
  3. Kozy

    Kozy tHE pOPULAR fRONT

    Oct 13, 2004
    check.
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The first time I met Logan, he was a rookie...I thought, 'this guy seems non-offensive'...I was right. He can play defence...when he first started (in Naperville) he would get forward way more, his first attempt on goal as a rookie missed to the left by 2 ft...his other shot came a few weeks ago.

    He is good on defence...and when he has the ball at his feet he can hear the coach in his head say...'don't forget the three P's'...be Patient...maintain Posession...Passback...

    A great example last night was in the second half...Pause moved the ball towards the sideline...he was looking down the wing for the open player...(I spose the player wasn't 100% open)...so he turned back, and as he did a rev player was right there to stuff him and he lost posession.

    Pause is great on defence...and in a 4-1-2-1-2...I really like him at CDM...and he doesn't need to get forward...but if we're playing a 4-5-1 with Herron (the Costa Rican McBride) as a lone striker...the 6 on defence is overkill...and not fun to watch...and not good for the players involved.
     
  4. oldguyfc

    oldguyfc New Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    Chicago
    Nice to see you up Kozy, watching the USA game then?
     
  5. Kozy

    Kozy tHE pOPULAR fRONT

    Oct 13, 2004
    check.
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USA V Argentina...Womens field hockey? Yep.
     
  6. oldguyfc

    oldguyfc New Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    Chicago
    That's a good point, and was very true at the beginning of the season when the Fire actually realized that they needed to score in order to win games.
     
  7. oldguyfc

    oldguyfc New Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    Chicago
    My new favorite women's sport, talk about women you'd like to be stranded on a desert island with.:D
     
  8. Kozy

    Kozy tHE pOPULAR fRONT

    Oct 13, 2004
    check.
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I really admire thier skill, and thier mini-skirts...

    Goal!:p
     
  9. oldguyfc

    oldguyfc New Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    Chicago
    Thanks for the update, but I had to turn on the USA-Netherlands game for the sake of decorum. :D
     
  10. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He let Twellman jump over him to score first goal.
     
  11. chitownseadog

    chitownseadog Member

    Dec 21, 2006
    yeh, I'm sure that's Twellmans first goal off a header ;)
    Logan is a terrific player doing the things that dont show up on a scoresheet or that the average fan doesnt notice. There have been several games where he has been either the best player on the field or one of the best. He does Scholes type duty (without scoring goals and Scholesy doesnt do that often either now) by setting up the attack, switching the field or point of attack and serving as an outlet when going forward isnt the best option and we need to get it back and start again. I think he does a good job defending and really just plays the simple ball a lot and tends to find the best option for us.:)
     
  12. firefan06

    firefan06 New Member

    Nov 12, 2006
    Illinois
    This write-up in the Boston Globe is good for a laugh. . .

    Nicol went on to address the play between Segares and Nyassi.
    "When did we change the rules that you can clearly just go for somebody and hit them and stay on the field?"


    Love how he conveniently ignores Nyassi's initial tackle on Blanco that Sega retaliated for.

    After the match, Reis said he had both hands on the ball as Wilman Conde charged and kicked it free for the goal, giving the Fire a 2-1 lead.
    "I had both hands on the ball and he came in straight-legged - cleats showing," Reis said. "Anywhere else on the field that's a foul and I don't think he was in a good position to see it."


    I've watched the reply - in HD. Both hands in front of the ball, yes. Both hands on the ball, no. Reis in no way had that ball under his control, despite what he spouts to the press.

    As for the rest of the game:

    A lot of people are questioning Hamlett's decision to use Herron as the lone forward. I too, am one of them, but I think I get the reasoning behind it. The only way to keep all three of Mapp, Thorrington, and Pappa (all of whom played well against Chivas) on the field was to go with a lone forward. I love Chris Rolfe, but I don't think either he or Frankowski should be in a lone striker position. That's just asking for an injury.

    Hamlett has mentioned a couple of times Mapp and Pappa's ability to switch places to confuse defenders. I think that's what he was hoping to do here, except the team didn't execute. While Mapp was on the field, they seemed to think he was their only winger. I can't believe the number of times they passed to Mapp who had two defenders on him while Pappa was wide open. After Mapp was subbed out, they involved Pappa a lot more and it payed off. His pass to set up the second goal was Blanco-esque. If they can learn to use both him and Mapp while the two are on the field, we could have a very dangerous midfield.

    P.S. Did anyone else watching the HDNet broadcast really like Martino as color analyst?
     
  13. DrBobC

    DrBobC Member

    Feb 28, 2004
    Burton upon Trent
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watched the US game so I could see the coaching staff we should have. Instead of being satisfied with a draw Piotr subbed in Altidore. Stupid foul at the end.
     
  14. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    What games are you watching, I'd like you to name ONE game where he was the best player on the field (And your saying sereval times, RIGHT!).

    He sets up the attack by switching the ball and the point of attack YOU GOT TOO BE ********ING kidding me when does he do that. Who are you Pause's brother, if you think any of these are correct then whatever your smoking please pass it this way!!!!!
     
  15. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    What I mean is that while he had an impact on the game, he wasn't a constant threat who gave the NE back line fits while he was on the field. He didn't get on the field and take charge of the game up top.

    Setting up? It was nearly a full on rugby scrum and the ball got poked in. No doubt the man did far more than Herron in 1/8th the time, but lets call a spade a spade. He should be starting, but he sure as **** isn't this magical goal machine (or freakish threat) some people are claiming.
     
  16. Kozy

    Kozy tHE pOPULAR fRONT

    Oct 13, 2004
    check.
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He sure did...and if Rolfe had taken the shot on Franek's thru ball, we might have been up 3-0.
     
  17. cesba

    cesba Member

    Sep 5, 2006
    Indiana
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please point out which games these were, I think we all need to go back and study those games if this is the case.

    Pause is a guy who works hard and, uh...that's about it.
     
  18. chitownseadog

    chitownseadog Member

    Dec 21, 2006
    there are various roles on a team on the field and Logan has been the hub in a lot of games. doing that job he has been moving off the ball well to be in a position to be an option or outlet and he has moved the ball to the player in the best position. As I said before the average fan wont notice this because they are usually too keyed in on the end of an attack and not the build up but there have been several games where I have watched Logan and he does a great job for us.
    I is a reat asset to the Fire but one that wont get any notice and will be ragged on by guys like you.
     
  19. salparadisejr

    salparadisejr Member

    Jul 26, 2006
    Hollywood, FL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a great hub he is, that we have to hoof it over the midfield 30 times a game. Such a great outlet that many a time a Fire teammate will attempt a riskier pass and lose possession over passing to Logan. Any reason why these simple observations escape you the "non-average" fan?

    The only explanation for your points I can come up with are that you are either Logan or related in some way, OR, you try to make observations that aren't there in an attempt to seem more advanced than the "average" fan (and failed doing so).
     
  20. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    I just watched the tape again. The scrum, Rolfe's too unselfish moment and one other run through where a NE defender intercepted a good pass was it. Like I said, he had an impact, but he wasn't God's gift to soccer.
     
  21. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I like Frankowski as much as the next guy, but I don't think he has the ability to take goals AWAY from the opposition.

    This is called a "straw man" argument. No one has said he's God's gift to soccer, just that he's an effective player and would do well in MLS.

    I believe people have felt he could get 14-16 this season if he was starting every game like Barrett. Perhaps 14-16 is a bit ambitious, but no one claimed he's the Polish Maradona or Zidane. No one claimed he'd be a 20 goal scorer or put the whole league to shame. I think he's proven to be worth his salary if he were being played as a starter.

    Let's face it, this past game he had the equivalent of two assists in about 8 minutes. He can't make Rolfe be greedy and take that shot, and the scrum was, holy cow, yet another example of him "being in the right place at the right time". And the shot, low and to Reis' right, is one that's barely savable and resulted in a rebound. He didn't sky it over the bar or panic and take an extra touch. He placed the shot where it's going to score or get a rebound.
     
  22. chitownseadog

    chitownseadog Member

    Dec 21, 2006
    oh..and you have been told by Fire players that they cant pass to Logan:p.
    And no I'm not related,have never met or have any special ties to Pause its just that people are ripping him on this thread and I think he does a good job for the team.
    Hoofing it over the midfeld goes on everywhere by everyone and its frustrating everytime.
    Not trying to MAKE observations - i MADE observations that he was doing a great job and was linking things together in a positive way.
    I looked for it, I saw it - FACT
     
  23. emprof

    emprof New Member

    May 27, 2005
    Chicago
    What a great victory for us! It's got to be devastating for the other team to lose the way they did and so late in the game. We've gone through that type of loss ourselves.

    I'm glad Herron played up top for all to see. To me, this was the final straw that will tell Hamlett to only use Herron as a last-ditch sub. I agree with all those who say Herron is nearly always off side. All I can say is "Get well soon, Nyarko!"

    I also regret that the announcers did not remember Joseph's first yellow. The ref's second yellow on Joseph may have been harsh, but he definitely deserved at least a warning and then a yellow if he dissented, or has been noted, perhaps Joesph was already on record for hard fouls. I think you will recall Papa getting a yellow in the previous game for not allowing a quick restart on a free kick while at the same time getting pushed by an opponent. When the yellow came out I thought at first it would be for the opponent who pushed Pappa! Amazingly we've seen at least a couple plays recently where the ref allowed an opponent to push one of our guys off the ball after a whistle for a free kick. Pushing should be a serious offense.

    Although I was upset at Pause for Twellman's goal, the fact is Pause could do nothing (not jump) because, as was stated, he was being used as a ladder by Twellman. I did not know that was legal. Moreover, it was a mistake to have Pause be the defender on Twellman on the corner kick. Hopefully, we learned something here.

    Frankowski plays best by being almost in a holding position near the net. To me, he proved he should be playing before Herron plays. I'd rather see Pappa in midfield than Rolfe, but I think Rolfe played well despite not taking that shot.

    I recall Hamlett suggesting in a previous game that he was not all that pleased with Segares running forward. Hopefully, this will change his mind a bit. That was a great goal. Conde's score was terrific, too, and showed why he is dangerous anywhere on the field. Blanco's has not played his best game for awhile, but he still creates some chances out there. We should never expect him to run onto a long ball ahead of defenders. Soumarie played very well, as did Prideaux. Both Soumarie and Conde made a couple mistakes that could have resulted in scores for the Revs, but there are no perfect players on any team.

    As for the foul on Thorrington (?) in the box, I've noticed that the refs have been very reluctant to call penalty kicks this year unless the foul is absolutely terrible and unmistakable. Part of the reason is because they are afraid of granting the penalty kick on what may be a pratfall.
     
  24. moddyg

    moddyg New Member

    Jan 29, 2006
    Clinton IL
    All that is well and good, but watch him singlehandedly give Twellman a ride all the way to the opening goal. That was the worst man-marking I've seen from the Fire inside the six all year. Not even looking at TT OR the ball, just standing with his back to his man, that was simply awful defending.

    Besides that, sure, he had a good game, but if you're going to talk about his good points be sure to tell the whole story.
     
  25. moddyg

    moddyg New Member

    Jan 29, 2006
    Clinton IL
    Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised, I really hated him as a player but he did a pretty good job last night. I'd take him over most of the guys on TV right now.
     

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