Future of the New York Cosmos

Discussion in 'New York Cosmos' started by manny84, Mar 26, 2015.

  1. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    NY
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point Bnyc,
    Zoidberg, has a point too I wonder if the USSF knows something we don't, offering a waiver seems premature right now, kenn might interject that the USSF needs to give NASL lead time with this decision and that is a fair point.

    I wonder is a decision about USL is coming soon, USL will probably lose some teams to their new D3 league, but have enough teams to maintain their D2 league.

    If NCFC, FC Edmonton and Indy are leaving the NASL next year, and PRFC is in trouble then the NASL is done. A lawsuit (and political posturing?!?) won't fix that.

    I think, that the Cosmos found a niche at MCU and can still grow to be a solid club.

    Work on saving the club 1st! Swallow your ego an join USL (if they are willing to take us, I don't think Rocco burn bridges with them) or the NISA
     
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  2. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    NY
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unlikely, I don't think both clubs would agree to this arrangement.
     
  3. CharlottetownFC

    Sep 2, 2015
    Club:
    Charlotte
    It was mostly shade, since NYCFC stole the Cosmos spot in MLS (if you follow their narrative) but, I could see NYCFC taking advantage of an affiliate in Brooklyn instead of San Antonio. The Cosmos may not be thrilled with the idea though.
     
  4. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    NY
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, perhaps NYCFC will decide to put in an NYCFC2, playing out of the Staten Island Baseball stadium (Staten island's Counterpart stadium to MCU park), the stadium is a decent size for D2/D3 and it's a short walk off the ferry.
     
  5. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    I sought out and spoke to Rocco tonight. He made it perfectly clear that once the USSF took away D2 that the only way forward for the league was the lawsuit and without a victory he doesn't expect to play next year. He wasn't vague.
     
  6. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cosmos need a new owner asap. Hopefully someone who’s competent this time.
     
  7. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Actually Rocco has done many of the things posters on these boards wanted the Cosmos to do, like moving to Brooklyn; the club is moving in better direction with him. He is also very accessible at the stadium to everyone and not hiding himself away up top in a booth.

    Your comment Darkwing McQuack is directed to league stewardship which he is a part of. Exactly what reasons did you [or anyone] have for predicting the USSF would take way D2 sanctioning before September? And why? Yes they need waivers yet again but why take away D2 at this time [with expansion announced] knowing it probably means the end of the league which is ostensibly why they were given waivers all along?

    He has strong opinions that I may or may not agree with; I don't confuse that with the actions he has made to save the club or how he runs it.
     
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  8. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Personally I think they should drop down to D3 so they can restructure and stabilize the league. Much like what USL did. Then when they’ve strengthened and grown they can make the push for D2 again. This lawsuit just comes off as petty and I have no respect for owners who say they’re going to shut down teams when they don’t get their way.
     
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  9. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  10. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    NY
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Might as well close this thread. The Cosmos have no future at this point other than as part plaintiffs in a long shot court case.
     
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  16. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    Manhattan
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm still trying to figure out when the Cosmos were ever World Class.

    Oh wait, Midfield Press, never mind.
     
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  17. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Michael Lewis‏ @Soccerwriter 8h8 hours ago
    .@NYCosmos chairman Rocco B. Commisso to hold conference call tomorrow to discuss #NYCosmos future, #NASL anti-trust suit, #USSF presidential election and #NYCosmos B preparations for this season
     
  18. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I said no future. Except in history books...
     
  19. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    I know Rocco loves the team and the game day atmosphere at the stadium; I saw him there enough [talking to everyone] to know he wants to play. It just seems the easiest way [whether the lawsuits continue or not] is to put together a D2 with NISA. The fact that isn't mentioned at this point is a disappointment. Yes, it will take a year and won't come easily, nothing does; but a door is there if he wants to open it.

    Also, I think $18M includes the purchase price and the money spent since the season ended for front office and player payroll.
     
  21. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ah ok...now that makes a bit more sense to me, but it's still very steep
     
  22. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And he projects to spend that if not more on the lawsuit... A fool and his money are quickly parted...
     
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  23. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    I'm very glad to read Chris Kivlehan's [midfieldpress.com] article that the Cosmos and other NASL clubs attended the meeting in Chattanooga.

    Something is going to happen, NISA or otherwise, there are too many teams that want to play but not in the USL. It's interesting to learn that the clubs seems to be leaning in two directions; that's fine, the two groups will probably find their way as two different divisions. I love the line "It's about the clubs, not the league".
     
  24. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many, exactly?

    The NISA apparently accepted three of their initial 15 applications. Supposedly Chattanooga is one (though someone tweeted recently they may be wavering), which is fine. It seems as though Detroit wishes to go in a different direction. And you have the Cosmos and Miami FC and Jacksonville.

    That's not a league. Yet.

    To be honest, any NPSL teams not currently playing in Chattanooga or Detroit are not exactly Must See TV, either, though there are some (like Asheville, maybe Little Rock) who do well. What they see now as rugged independence may eventually have to take a back seat to pragmatism. You can say you aren't down with USL all you want, but if your other options either dry up or simply make no business sense, you can convene all the summits you want with owners who have been in the game for an hour and half, that ain't a viable alternative league.

    There were several teams who didn't want to play in USL back in 2009. Most of them are either gone now or are back in USL. (To be fair, they have new owners by this point.) Yet they were not able to build a viable competitive league for a variety of reasons (infighting and hubris more so than any cabal-like conspiracy).

    If there truly are enough viable organizations who wish to eschew the USL and do their own thing, more power to them. Competition is good.

    But I am not really seeing where the numbers are. The NISA can say it will have a team in Connecticut, but USL seems to have the stadium in Hartford at the moment. The NISA or someone else can say they're going to do this or that or the other, but while everybody's been dickering about what this or that or the other should be or how to do it and suing over it, USL has gone from a ramshackle D3 league in 2011 to where it is today.

    Maybe it's time to stop focusing on how supposedly evil they are and how people couldn't possibly support a team made up of young players trying to improve and move on (all the while they're supporting clubs made up largely of college players trying to stay in shape before they go back to the schools giving them money for their attendance) and start focusing on the fact that a lot of stuff has been done right in the last few years, and it has not been done by the supposed alternative vanguard.
     
  25. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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