Fuera Codesal!!!

Discussion in 'Mexico' started by Deleted USer, Apr 13, 2003.

  1. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    ya saquen a ese pu.to uruguayo de la comision de arbitraje!!!

    no es posible que semana tras semana los arbitros sean protagonistas. inventan mucho y no marcan lo obvio... cada semana Codesal defiende a sus colegas y sus arbitros y siempre hay un pretexto.. no es posible que califique cada semana con buen promedio. Lo unico que le importa Codesal es que el arbitro controle los animos y el ritmo..... esta bien pero eso no es todo. Segun el dice que el arbitro mexicano sabe aplicar los reglamentos... pero pregunto...de que sirve eso si no estan marcando lo obivo.

    hay muchos equipos que ya quieren a Codesal afuera de la comision. hay otros que lo quieren afuera terminando la temporada

    esta jornada no se marco penales ..minimo unos 10 que no marcaron...y claritos

    y Codesal cree que es culpa del jugador. Cree que va al area para engañar al arbitro. Y dice es por eso que no marcan todo. no estan en posicion de quitarle o regalar algo a un equipo / jugador por lo pasado.
     
  2. ¿Enojado por el resultado contra Puebla?
    :D
     
  3. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Volvio el Chicho :)

    Perdio el America :D

    Not bad, not bad at All.
     
  4. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    when you miss 3 clear PKs and call 2 clear onside plays offsides that could have made the difference... YEAHHH I am mad but not just becuase of this game. its been an problem for a while now.

    I use to blame the refs... but now I really dont. I blame Codesal. He has been talking more and more as of late because he is under the gun.... and it amazes me the type of cr4p he says..

    how are you ever going to fix anything if you dont admit thier is a problem. Every week he gives himself an A. But when he passes his test over to the next person and they grade it... its clear that his grade is not an A. Its like that guy in school that always put a T in the truth or false quizzes because you could always write in the slash to tranform it into an F
     
  5. EvilRick

    EvilRick New Member

    Jun 4, 2000
    Guadalajara
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    RDL,
    America has not won its last 4 home games, and 3 aways, there is gotta be more to it than just the Refs.
     
  6. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Club America

    I wonder if they will bring back Carillo :D
     
  7. EvilRick

    EvilRick New Member

    Jun 4, 2000
    Guadalajara
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Re: Club America

    La Puente's days are numbered? :confused:
     
  8. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    "La Puente's days are numbered? "

    good. Maybe they can bring in a coach that will make the team worth watching (unless you are not tired of 6k per home game at azteca)
     
  9. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    I though Codesal has done a good job on his weekly TV appeareances. He criticizes the bad jobs and has mostly been spot on. Plus after Gasso totaly screwed up he sent him out. I think that some refs are really lousy (Delgadillo, Gasso and now Guajardo) and Chiqui Dracula is improving fast but he still fights too much and is too arrogant. Still I don't know who is there to be in charge if Codesal is gone. I don't think Brizio Carter is the answer and Yamasaki is gone.

    Also America should beat Puebla regardless of the ref. They also played very lousy in queretaro in a game in which I saw a very bad performance from Blanco and other and I don't think its the Tri performance. They need some finishing from Blanco, Castillo and the others.
     
  10. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    you guys are something else....

    best coach in the MFL.... BAR NONE.

    i hate to say it... but it is hard scoring when your opponant is camped on thier side of the field 90 minutes of the game....

    When teams come to the Azteca.. they look to sit back and get a draw... if they get lucky with a fluke goal... good..

    It it a coincidence that America is the best team on the road??? could it be because teams are actually forced to attack at home and not sit back north american style?
     
  11. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    I thought that against Queretaro, eventhought Queretaro defendende themselve the whole game, it was America's fault that they couldn't win. They struggled creating chances and when they did, they blew them. I thought it was Blanco worst game I've seen in a while and that the rest were not up to par. Santiago Fernandez looked to be the best but the rest were lacking including Patiño, Oviedo and Castillo who eventhough he scored, was the worst finishing IMHO.

    I think America has a problem but I said the same thing last time at exactly the same time (game vs Puebla). They later got back to playing well.
     
  12. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Lapuente

    There is no doubt that Lapuente is a good coach and that Liguilla's are his specialties. However the regular season still counts and his teams have rarely provided the spectacle that the fans want to watch. While winning the Championship is the most important thing in the list, Big clubs will always be expected to win and do it in an attractive fashion. That is why it is no surprise that CA has been having poor Attendance figures.

    That is also why i dont doubt that CA directiva will make an attempt to bring in Carillo. As much as he sucked with Cruz Azul he provided the type of futbol that the majority of Americanistas like. This an Lapuente stays in Coapa as General Manager and teaches Mario Carillo how to set up a defence..


    :) :)
     
  13. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    I though Codesal has done a good job on his weekly TV appeareances.

    its odd that he is coming out more and more? makes you wonder what he is trying to do.

    thats guys tries to defend everything... and this answer just doesnt cut it "they are human"

    He criticizes the bad jobs and has mostly been spot on.

    i dont know about that

    Plus after Gasso totaly screwed up he sent him out.

    I forget names... but is he the one that was 2 hours late to a game? kind of obvious


    I think that some refs are really lousy (Delgadillo, Gasso and now Guajardo) and Chiqui Dracula is improving fast but he still fights too much and is too arrogant.

    the problem is that while most refs cool off players... they blow the whistle near the ball when they restart... next thing you know... the ball is in play and already near the box and the ref is at least 15-20 yards away.... i agree....mexican refs control players and and dont let them get out of hand... but thats not all it takes to be a good ref. Before the ref restars the play he should back peddling and at least 10-15 yards away from the ball before he restars the play

    Still I don't know who is there to be in charge if Codesal is gone. I don't think Brizio Carter is the answer and Yamasaki is gone.

    Brizio was not a bad ref. Sure he had his bad moments but he was consistant. The only reason they criticize him is because of Televisa. That is just paranoia on people part.

    lets be honest... Codesal is a foreigner from south america. thier style is completely different from ours. Diving and trying to fool the ref started to become more frequent during his era. Thats stuff happens more in South America than in Mexico. THe player will always try to see what he can and cant get away with. What ever happened to that "machismo" of getting your as.s up quick after falling down and fighting for the ball. He is too blame. I am not saying all players do that..but some roll around 5 times and then look at the ref.

    The biggest actors in the MFL happen to be Cardozo and Abreu.

    I dont care if Brizio gets it... but if we go with another foreigner... lets get an englishmen or german for christ sakes.... one thing i love about the EPL.... they fall down and get up real quick and are on the ball again. Thats because their refs dont allow those theatrics.

    Also America should beat Puebla regardless of the ref. They also played very lousy in queretaro in a game in which I saw a very bad performance from Blanco and other and I don't think its the Tri performance. They need some finishing from Blanco, Castillo and the others.

    3 miss PKs and 2 onsides that were called offsides that could have have changed the outcome.... yeah... the officiating is a problem
     
  14. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    You can't blame diving on Codesal or the constant complaining. Mexican players have to accept when something is their fault.

    As for the biggest actor, Cardozo may be it now but no one compares to Martin Rodriguez when he was in Irapuato. Everytime the wind blew, he would fall down.

    As for the America game, Codesal accepted the linesman blew 2 offsides and the ref missed a pk but everyone agreed (in both DeporTV and La jugada) that it was America fault that they lost. The game against Queretaro they had it all to win and didn't and that is a problem they need to fix.
     
  15. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    You can't blame diving on Codesal or the constant complaining. Mexican players have to accept when something is their fault.

    it is his fualt. players will always see how far they can go and what they can get away with before being sanctioned. thats just not in sports.. but in life.

    kids do that with thier parents as well. But its up to the parent to be firm from the get go.

    As for the biggest actor, Cardozo may be it now but no one compares to Martin Rodriguez when he was in Irapuato. Everytime the wind blew, he would fall down.

    even when the south american started coming in by the herds 30+ years ago... the theatrics and diving was not noticable. Sure here and there but for the most part.. a player would get knocked down... he was up in the players face within a millisecond or trying to restart the play and catch them off guard.

    Codesal coming from the south american football culture sees it a norm. He is in charge of the officiating in Mexico. No need for a player to dive 5 times and look at the ref.

    As for the America game, Codesal accepted the linesman blew 2 offsides and the ref missed a pk but everyone agreed (in both DeporTV and La jugada) that it was America fault that they lost. The game against Queretaro they had it all to win and didn't and that is a problem they need to fix.

    whoa!. The ref missed 2 clear PKs and another foul that was in the box. Did you see Trotta and Serna punch Blanco?

    And what was COdesal's excuse? That the ref cant see everything? thats not the way to go about it.. its just not.

    America lost and I accept it. But my problem is that a ref should not commit errors when it can determine the outcome of the game.

    11 puebla players camping in the box thee whole game...98 % of the match was played in Puebla territory... and you mean to tell me the ref couldnt see??
     
  16. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    I didn't see the game but if both DeporTV and La Jugada say that America have only themselve to blame for not winning, I would tend to believe.

    As for Codesal, since when has he been in Mexico? I though he came a long time ago.
     
  17. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    tigres 1-3 diablos rojos

    se queja el tuca- brazilero, de arbitro sergio Silva (el silVato)

    "El arbitraje fue pésimo, criminal, bueno no criminal porque ya no puedo decir esta palabra, pésimo, incidió, nos perjudicó totalmente en este partido. Es difícil hoy día que cuando el árbitro comete equivocaciones para un equipo que el otro equipo pueda reaccionar, no tiene oportunidad de ganar", dijo el "Tuca", quien señaló como uno de los errores más evidentes del juego, el foul cometido sobre Gustavo Sedano en la segunda anotación choricera.

    "El segundo gol es un claro foul sobre el portero (Gustavo) Sedano del jugador del Toluca y el árbitro no lo marca y naturalmente incide en el resultado final", comentó.

    Según el brasileño, hasta antes de la expulsión de David Oteo al minuto 42, Tigres fue el equipo que mandó en el terreno de juego y muestra de ello fue que el marcador se abrió en favor de los visitantes.
     
  18. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    They also screwed up the Morelia vs Santos game.
     
  19. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Tuca is probabaly going to get in trouble... Codesal was at that game
     
  20. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake

    how, rafa?

    I saw that game and looked average officiating!

    sigi Schimit of Galaxy, also bashes concacaf refs..

    admits and shows that every MLS team has got a PK or and Offside that afected results! I dont know how.... when you get 4 goals against (ala morelia vs santos)
     
  21. Rafael Hernandez

    Rafael Hernandez Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2002
    The first PK was total BS. It caused a commotion and a red card for Cariño, who is a key in their defense. Santos crumbled after the red card and Cariño and everyone was right because it wasn't a PK.
     
  22. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    ya veremos el analisis 'en la jugada'

    no me parecio big deal!
     

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