FSU Politics/Current Events V

Discussion in 'Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, & the former Soviet Repu' started by Real Corona, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Yeah - I thought you caught my reference above :) Don't ******** with lions - unless you're on the back of an elephant.
     
  2. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
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    But was she game of thrones producer?
     
  3. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Eh? I was referring to myself - I saw a bunch of lions up close, but was on an elephant, and they don't really ******** with elephants.
     
  4. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
  5. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

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    Yeah generally they don't mess with big things like cars either.
     
  6. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

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  7. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    You know, I can see myself doing something like that and not thinking through....just the nature of being a human...a stupid human perhaps.
     
  8. FootyFan365

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    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
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  9. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
  10. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
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    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
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    Ukraine
    Haha that's what I figured, good stuff.
     
  11. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
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    Places like that can give you a false sense of security and a lot of people who don't grow up around wild animals don't realize their power and danger. I saw it a lot in Yellowstone growing up. You'd see people doing the dumbest shit and just wonder if they wanted to get killed.
     
  12. stphnsn

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    Jan 30, 2009
  13. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
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    FC Metalist Kharkiv
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    United States
    Akhmetov is a pragmatist. He's tried to stay under the radar and just keep amassing wealth, but with the war you can't play both sides. You have to pick. So he's screwed.
     
  14. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
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    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
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    Ukraine
    I knew of this but never read a full detailed explanation, thanks for sharing.

    Man this place is more deserted than Pripyat lol miss the old days.
     
  15. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Fvcking right! But I'm slowly coming out of my hate stupor for everything Russia(n). The Hobbesian in me is starting to think that enlightened despots (Putin) aren't always that bad. He has the only realistic strategy for Syria...which is to bring the 'revolution' full circle and reinforce the Assad regime until it outlasts everyone else.

    Yo Footy I'm heading out to Bloomington/Indy next week. Anyplace decent to catch a drink for CL fixtures??
     
  16. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

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    Assad is done. He has no army left. It's just a question of how many hezbollah, Iranian soldiers will die for him. How much money Russia is willing to spend dropping bombs. Isis and Sunni militant groups have unlimited gulf oil money and willing recruits from across the globe. Plus Turkish support.

    At best Assad will hold on to his alawite rump state, which is best. Since a Sunni take over would mean genocide. Assad's best bet is a retirement condo next door to yanukovich. And a negotiated power sharing deal of some sort between Christian/Shia and Sunni and Kurds. Maybe something like Iraq was supposed to have before Maliki decided to ethnically cleanse the Sunnis after the Americans left.
     
  17. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
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    Are you kidding me? Realistic strategy is by supporting a despot who is even hated by all his neighbors and supported (aside from Putin) by an 8% minority (Alawites)?

    I think the only realistic path is creating a Kurdish state in Northern Iraq and Northern Syria, and then destroying ISIS by hands of just about everyone. Kurds are fighting ISIS on the ground (or Daesh, or ISIL, or whatever else they are called this week), Iran, Turkey, France, UK, and US are fighting ISIS from the air. Russia needs to get going. I am almost hoping a couple more Russian planes are knocked down by Turkey. Putin is going to do nothing but sanction Turkish tangerines and complain about being knifed in the back but will never openly engage the NATO might.
    With ISIS gone (and they are suffering huge reverses right now), Russians will no longer be able to use them as an excuse for being there and will have to pull out. And then - Assad is done. He is done already but Russians are propping him up.
     
  18. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Turkey is fighting ISIS?
     
  19. Real Corona

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    Definitely not.

    Just like the Russians are using Daesh as a cover to kill the rebel groups that are threatening Assad, Turkey is using it as a cover to bomb the Kurds.
     
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  20. yasik19

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    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Right...not sure what G was talking about.
     
  21. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
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    He's talking about the naive simplistic official narrative that we are all fighting Daesh.
     
  22. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Curb your indignations. Putins strategy is far more sound than Kerry's proposal (the only other strategy proposed by anyone else) - which is a unified, secular, Assad free Syria. Putin's strategy is at least attainable, if not improbable. But the Obama administration have their collective heads in the clouds if they think they can unify and secularize Syria.
     
  23. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I'm glad Putin has made that clear?
     
  24. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine
    Pardon the poor sentence structure. I meant to say the Obama administration stated goal (as stated by Kerry) is for a unified, secular, Assad-free Syria. Putin's strategy of a Syria with Assad is far more attainable, if not slightly improbable.
     
  25. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine
    Turkey has carried out strikes against ISIS in support of its clients Turkomans, who ARE fighting against the Daesh.
    And, yes, Turkey has attacked Kurds. But this wasn't the question, was it?
     

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