FSU Politics/Current Events V

Discussion in 'Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, & the former Soviet Repu' started by Real Corona, Mar 7, 2011.

  1. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
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    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
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    Ukraine
    Yet you're the one calling for an echo chamber by suggesting I go away. and yet I'm the one with the logic of a 3rd grader haha Orwellinan as fvck. You voted for Brandon buddy, you should pray to God for forgiveness every night for what your stupidity has caused Ukrainians. Real Ukrainians, not the muppet diaspora like us

    All 3 of you live in California btw, you're a laughingstock of USA, people just shitting on the street and creating drug heroine safe zones like in Vancouver lmao! You clowns even lost a House seat because of population reduction, sign of the impending decline
     
  2. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine

    Again, I live in eastern suburb of Sacramento that's fairly Republican - your brain probably can no longer process nuisance; "California is bad - Democrats-libtards.' I consider myself conservative but no longer vote reliably Republican,

    2016 was a political turning point for me. The Republican party has gotten more reactionary since the Trump takeover. They are nihilistic, pessimistic about the present/future; are suspicious of change despite change being the only constant in democratic society; yearn for some fairly tale past; are hyper suspicious about liberal institutions from which they benefit so much; and Trumpists offer no platform or vision of the future. As a matter fact, they sound exactly like modern Russians.

    Which is where you come in. You are the exact protype of Sorokin's homosovieticus. You are stuck in a time and place, occasionally making your way to the collective Qanon feeding trough for further nourishment and ideas that lack depth, nuisance or are just simply out unhinged

    Joe Biden is the least inspirational candidate in my lifetime but he at least has a working understanding of domestic/foreign policy. I know you are going to 'try' to debate this so let me just give you an example so I can save you time.

    On the eve on the invasion, Trump called Putin a genius. The context being, Trump believed it was a 'genius' strategy to place 100,000k (+/-) military at the border to force negotiations, favorable negations, and wondered out loud what a difference-maker such a strategy would be if he implemented something similar at the US-Mexico border. He is completely oblivious to the precedent this could set for more powerful nations to force terms on smaller nations. He is inviting a return to, forget about pre-UN, pre-Westphalian foreign policy. Rule of Law, Sovereignty and general respect for borders have allowed modern nations to decrease military spending from 50%-80% (British, Ottomans, etc) to 3-4% (6% for US). Trump would be inviting the age of empires in the age of nuclear weapons. And he is completely oblivious to any of this. He has no foreign, domestic, or public policy experience, thinks in associations, extremely sensitive to criticism, and cynical of the very institutions that got us this far. He thinks policy is some pop-up business that you can throw interest at and simply walk away if it doesn't stick. So, yes voting for Biden is the rational choice.
     
  3. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    I'd add something, but it would be futile. (btw, I'd also consider myself leaning to the right of center, but after listening to Tucker a few times, I want to throw up).
     
  4. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    Ukraine
    Trump brought Peace in Middle East, your boy Brandon gifted Taliban fresh state of the art military gear and put millions of women in jihadist subjugation. People thought hanging on to airplanes 20,000 miles up in the air at 600mph was a better idea than staying in Kabul. You voted for World War 3 in your homeland, you're a smart well-meaning dumbass

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...585dec-19fc-11eb-aeec-b93bcc29a01b_story.html
     
  5. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Cool response bro. More logical errors.

    Trump brought about as much peace to the middle east as Clinton, short lived and symbolic.

    I take back what I said about mental illness, tbi, etc. Those are serious conditions which I didn't mean to use as the butt of a joke. You're an idiot. Which is worse because there is no treatment
     
  6. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    Ukraine
    I must say there is the scenario of you voting for Sleepy Zhou actually saving Ukraine in the long term by reunifying it with Russia. So don't feel too bad about yourself, although it was morally wrong to vote for a nursing home patient pedo puppet who is destroying USA from within, your inexcusable stupidity might have helped save Ukraine from being gobbled up by the New World Order

    Btw how about that Mudryk performance the other day? ;)
     
  7. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    The irony of Footy being so thoroughly colonized yet thinking that he's such a free thinker because Qanon. Homeboy came down with Stockholm Syndrome

    Mudryk plays for the UA NT. You can direct your attention and interests to the Russian NT or LNR/DNR/Crimea NT teams. Have some respect and dignity for yourself and support teams with your aligned interests.

    Footy, if I was really wealthy. I would pay you good money to go to the next Ukrainian home match and sit, not with the ultras, but with regular supporters with the task of expressing all of your opinions. You would quickly see that you are no longer invited to support UA NT.
     
  8. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    Hahahahahaha

    30% of Ukrainians agree with me as proven by Medvenchuk vote totals dumbass. and that's 30% without Crimea & Donbas too mind you, so basically 40% minimum

    The point you just made would be like for me to tell Biden voters in American Outlaws that they should not be able to claim supporting USMNT because they voted like fascist communists do. Or vice versa, for some retard like you who voted for Brandon telling a Trump voter they're not allowed to support USA in sports because their political stance about USA is critical of current regime. Your logic gets dumber & dumber every day
     
  9. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    That's at best before the war......Pretty sure it's in the low single digits now.
     
  10. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    Lets Go Brandon!!!!
     
  11. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine
    One has to admit that Putin did a couple of good things:

    1. he did his best to unify Ukrainians in defense of Ukraine.
    2. he did his best to repurpose and reunify NATO after his little helper Trump has almost split it apart.
     
  12. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    3. He cured Covid

    He was on a roll until he caused this mass inflation and soaring gas prices. Its the #PutinTaxHike
     
  13. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine
    No that's not the point I just made but keep on talking about Biden

    The serfs may have been freed in 1860's. USSR fell apart in 91, yet there are still those among us that carry the legacy and refuse to let go. It's okay, you can be optimistic about the future. You don't have to carry on this messianic concept of the restoration of Rus. I feel bad for you, captive of the past, no optimism for the future.

    You still didn't answer my question (you avoid all my questions and just shout "let's go brandon'). How would you fare if you brought a poster to the next UA home fixture that read something to the effect of - Ukraine is Russia or Ukraine and Russia together.
     
  14. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine
    It's funny that Russians talk about restoring the Rus but they have nothing to do with Rus. Russian federation it's just the newest iteration of Moscovia, which was really an institution created by the Golden Horde for the purposes of collecting taxes from the Rus principalities.
     
  15. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Shhhhhh.......rojdenim polzat'......
     
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  16. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
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    Ukraine
    Western world is falling into a new global communism aka The Great Reset aka Build Back Better that you voted for. Russia is saving Ukraine from this one world gov't, so are India & Brazil (praying USA saves itself too, but retards like you from Cali are winning culture wars thanks to our propaganda media). Your family immigrated to USA because communism destroyed Rus lands yet you voted to bring it back and have the audacity to try to hold the moral high ground on somebody haha. The world is burning because of dumbasses like you and enough fraudulent mail-in ballots to hide the fact there were only 67 million morons who voted for Brandon

    The fact you think you're so clever for creating the guaranteed scenario of me getting my ass kicked in Lviv Arena or Olympiysky if I was dumb enough to make unpopular political statements shows what absolute simpleton you are. I ignored that question out of respect to yourself, didn't bother with that junk. Yet you brought it back up like you're making some valid point lmao! The fact you live in USA and aren't disturbed that's what would happen to dissent, yet try to pretend Ukraine is much different to Russia, shows again what a simpleton you are

    Its funny that Ukrainians don't seem to realize Vladimir the Great was Grand Prince of Kyiv and simultaneously Prince of Novgorod too. An equally powerful enlightened trading hub to Kyiv which remained autonomous and untouched & unscathed by the Mongol invasion

    Yaroslav the Wise risked his life traveling throughout Russia spreading the gospel, famous old city Yaroslavl named after he founded it. Ukrainians are the black people of the Russian world, talented but hot blooded and dumb haha. Can't help but make fatal mistakes, on the footy pitch or in critical politics. Bandera, Petlyura & Mezepa are national heroes I've come to find out lmao! Critical Race Theory spreading in Ukraine like black communities in USA, as well as classrooms in Montenegro (another EU & NATO prostitute)
     
  17. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine

    Ignoring a genocide is not dissent, it is not opinion, it is not a valid thought. You either accept or deny. That's why people who question the Nazi Holocaust are called 'Holocaust deniers.' No rational person asks, 'well let us listen to arguments of individual A who says the Holocaust didn't happen.'

    Under internet autonomy you feel comfortable calling black people "hot blooded, dumb", and feel comfortable denying current genocide. If you verbalize those thoughts in the real world, they don't work. There's a reason why people would push you away, not want to be associated with you, or lose your job over such thoughts - they're annoying, old, shameful, useless, and can lead to disaster. Messianic Russians shrug their shoulders at the death and destruction of Ukraine and say 'it has to happen if we are to restore our empire' as though the concept of the Russian world is a natural order. White supremacists, fearful of the future, make their way into black neighborhoods and commit mass murder as though white dominance is the natural order of things. You say "blacks are hot blooded, dumb" because you think its a natural order. No one is suppressing free thought but what you discuss is hardly considered thought. Eugenics isn't studied at Harvard anymore. Its not because of a critical race theory takeover in the late 1940s. It's because the study fostered dangerous ideas and was useless for scientific inquiry.

    I didn't carefully create a scenario in which you get 'your ass kicked at Olympisykii.' I provided a simulation of your thoughts in the real world, something pertaining to this forum, and you made the conclusions yourself.
     
  18. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine
    Ukraine will have to reckon with its recent past. After this war is over, there will have to be a tempering of Ukrainian nationalism and that would be very difficult to unwind. The cult of Bandera/UPA simply cant be associated with modern Ukraine. Defenders are quick to point out that he fought the communists, Nazis but willfully downplay association with the Volynhia genocide and participation in genocide of the Jews.
     
  19. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
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    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
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    Ukraine is Black Lives Matter on nuclear steroids

    I'm just a normal dude from 2012 stuck in this batshit crazy world today, watching helplessly as it burns
     
  20. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine
    But, first and foremost, Ukraine will have to successfully end this current war. As to nationalism, Ukraine is a moderate, centrist country, where nationalism is not popular. Electorally, none of the nationalist parties can make serious inroads into the Rada and no nationalist leader stands a chance to become a president.

    Should Ukraine deal with "Bandera cult"? I am not so sure. Across this very nation we have memorials to George Washington and consider him national hero. He was a slaveowner, as well as more than half of the "founding fathers". We have to realize that Bandera, who spent most of the World War in German jails and concentration camps, was a product of his time and he was a real hero of Ukrainian fight for independence. Was he an anti-Semite? Perhaps. Was George Washington a racist (according to today's standards)? Yes.
     

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