FSU Players Abroad [R]

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  1. Sheva7

    Sheva7 New Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #776 Sheva7, Apr 11, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    I believe he has 2 goals and 5 assists in all competitions (2 goals and 3 assists in the league) after this match. This is courtesy of ESPN Soccernet.
     
  2. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    #777 Dimuha, Apr 11, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Arsenal fans are saying it's 2+8.

    Either way, he's the best FSU player easy right now.

    And don't give me that Tymoshcuk crap because Arshavin's talent is ten fold of Tymoschuk's.

    If only Tymo and Hleb played for Russia.

    ---Tymo---
    Hleb-Semshov-Zyrynaov
    -------AA
    ---------Pav

    With Anyukov and Zhirkov as the fullbacks ?
    World cup contender despite the average central defense.
     
  3. Sheva7

    Sheva7 New Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #778 Sheva7, Apr 11, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    It's no knock on Arshavin, he's been excellent for Arsenal. Assists are just generally interpreted differently sometimes. Soccernet probably counts just direct passes (last pass), while others may count any player who had a significant pass/contribution to the overall outcome of a goal.
     
  4. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    #779 Dimuha, Apr 11, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    I think Andrei's had a direct assist in most of Arsenal's games. The high number of assists doesn't strike me because of his role on the team. He's playing great in that link up role and it shows with his big assist total.
     
  5. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #780 FootyFan365, Apr 11, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    He's got a lot of style and smarts, he will help Arsenal win trophies if that team can stay healthy.
     
  6. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #781 FootyFan365, Apr 13, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Wow, I saw the full Arsenal highlights. Arshavin also hit the post with a great low drive just outside the box.

    Voronin ejected on 89 min in Hertha's third straight loss. Their saying he might get a 3 game ban :confused:
     
  7. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    #782 Dimuha, Apr 13, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    What happened there ?
     
  8. Zenit

    Zenit Moderator
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    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #783 Zenit, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    The sad habit you have of trying to compare the these two very different players with completely different skill sets is really getting old. Arshavin's talent is much different than Tymo's talent, I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to register in your melon.

    FWIW, I think one would have a much easier time making an argument for Tymo being the best d-mid in the world, than one would have arguing Arshavin as the best withdrawn forward in the world. For my money, AA is top three, no doubt, but if I put forth that argument in other forums on this site, I'll bet a lot of folks would disagree.

    Even given your flight of fancy/fantasy - no lineup with Pavluchenko as its lone striker up front will ever be accused of being a "World Cup Contender."
     
  9. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
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    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    #784 Dimuha, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Name one striker available to us who'd be better.

    Different roles or not, Arshavin is a super talent. Tymoschuk is a warrior but he's not a phenom like AA is.
     
  10. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #785 goliath74, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    AA's no phenom.
     
  11. loden

    loden Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    Forest Hills, NY
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    #786 loden, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    The original Ronaldo was a phenom. AA is a far cry from the original Ronaldo in his prime.
     
  12. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    #787 yasik19, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    First, Dima should clarify what HE means by saying the word 'phenom'.

    Mozart
    Agassi
    Fischer
    Arshavin? :D
     
  13. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #788 goliath74, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Vasya Pupkin
     
  14. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
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    CSKA Moskva
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    Russia
    #789 Dimuha, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Ok not phenom on Ronaldo or Messi's level, but he's a great talent.

    Only phenoms I can think of in FSU history was Yashin ( for a GK ). Bessonov was one of the most highly rated youngsters in the world.
     
  15. loden

    loden Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    Forest Hills, NY
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    #790 loden, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    I only heard tales of Yashin. But then again, did Yashin ever play against Ronaldo? or even Blokhin for that matter?
     
  16. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    #791 Dimuha, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    You have to put it into context. Using that logic we can say that Pele played against joke defenders. Football wasn't as evolved back then, but in the context of their era the likes of Pele, Puskas, Yashin, etc. were gods.
     
  17. sumthingspecial

    sumthingspecial New Member

    Jun 27, 2006
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    #792 sumthingspecial, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    and Ronaldo is a far cry from Andrei Arshavin in his prime.

    it's not just Dimuha acting a fool calling Arshavin a phenom, everyone should just shut up right now!!! :mad: bringing up a player who's nickname is el phenomeno, wow that's clever!! :rolleyes:
     
  18. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #793 goliath74, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    HOw can you suggest Bessonov and not list Blokhin? Bessonov was a great talent (not a phenom). But if Yashin was a phenom, Blokhin truly was a phenom as well. He owns the USSR record book.
     
  19. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    #794 Dimuha, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    I'm not sure if Yashin was a phenom, depends on how he was rated as a youngster.

    Bessonov was basically considered to be a world class talent ever since he played in the World Youth Championship, and wasn't he named player of the tournament ?

    In Football terms phenoms are basically prodigies. Was Blokhin a prodigy ?
     
  20. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    #795 Dimuha, Apr 15, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    In the modern FSU football world I guess that Akinfeev, Sheva, and Dzagoev would be considered phenoms. In the FSU context.
     
  21. sumthingspecial

    sumthingspecial New Member

    Jun 27, 2006
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    #796 sumthingspecial, Apr 16, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    moving ON now

    http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/2009/04/09/russian-star-mocks-blackburn

    lets discuss, whos better for bolton. pavlyuchenko, pogrebnyak, or puygrenier?
    from what i have seen, puygrenier has been benched since about the 3rd week on the job, after numerous mistakes. roman has done virtually nothing for spurs (until this previous game), and pavel we have yet to see in the EPL, but from the looks of it Zenit are at least smart enough to get rid of him.
     
  22. Drake44444

    Drake44444 Member

    Jul 5, 2008
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #797 Drake44444, Apr 16, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Wow that is a nice find. There is no way, the way he is playing now, he could come close to a top 4 english team. At least he didn't go to Blackburn. Hilarious though- trying to convince him to go to Blackburn. Zenit really did want him gone.
     
  23. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #798 goliath74, Apr 16, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    They should just skip the letter "P" altogether.
     
  24. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    #799 goliath74, Apr 16, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    NO, NO, and NO.
     
  25. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    #800 Dimuha, Apr 16, 2009
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    You really don't know what I mean by phenoms, do you ?
     
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