FSU Players Abroad [R]

Discussion in 'Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, & the former Soviet Repu' started by Dimuha, Aug 26, 2008.

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  1. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    The Romanovs had barely any Russian blood, they were mostly of German/Danish stock. They didn't even speak Russian as a first language. We have to remember that Russia isn't special in this case, many European nations were rules by foreign monarchies.
     
  2. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Not tsars, though, knyazes. Only the first three or four tsars were of Ryurikid blood.

    And they were such a mix that how anyone could say what their ethnicity was is beyond me. Starting in 11th century, most Great Princes of Rus had foreign wives.
     
  3. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Indeed, your wife told a lot about your place in the world. That some of the Kievan Princes had French, Byzantine and German wives, indicates the Rus' relative power and prestige at the time.

    I've had this debate before many times, but for about a 1000 years until the French Revolution, hardly anyone would have identified themselves with a nation, rather with their socioeconomic standing. Therefore, it hardly mattered that Kievan Prince would marry a French princess. As long as she was of the aristocracy.
     
  4. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Or they would choose a marriage of convenience. Thus, Vladimir Monomakh, perhaps the third most important Great Prince of Rus was married to a "Polovchanka", from the Federation of nomadic Cuman tribes, polovtsi.

    So, in essence, the progenitor of all Moscovian princes, Yuri Dolgoruki, has as much Varyag blood as Cuman.
     
  5. Chubby

    Chubby New Member

    Jul 16, 2008
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Are you trying to decipher Sheva's origins? Good luck.
     
  6. Real Corona

    Real Corona Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Direct relations. That's all I'll say about it.
     
  7. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Shava!!!!
     
  8. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Did he score the first also? Cause he just scored Arsenal's 2nd in a very SICK way :D
     
  9. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Yea, brace for AA so far. Go for the trick buddy.
     
  10. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    He should have had 2-3 assists with that, Bendtner fuked up....
     
  11. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Some outlets are calling it an own goal while others are giving the brace to Shava.
     
  12. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    yea ESPN gave an o.g. the highlight link isn't working so I haven't seen it yet.

    Voronin with the winner v. Leverkusen. Lucky goal, lol, but I heard he played really well.
     
  13. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    I'm not an expert, but I think Arshavin should be credited for that one.
     
  14. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    You found the highlights ?
     
  15. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Just saw the goal, typical Arshavin burst into the box from the left with a nice finish. The Arsenal fans think the goal was was awesome but those of us who've been following AA for a while now come to expect it.
     
  16. loden

    loden Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    Forest Hills, NY
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    I think Voronin should stay with Hertha permanently. He's never played this well before.
     
  17. sumthingspecial

    sumthingspecial New Member

    Jun 27, 2006
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    here's the arshavin goal
    http://videos.sapo.pt/bGYLLn8MRqM3HgLDBJla
    (that portugese site always seems to take 1 min to start buffering)

    my fav part is whats his face talking about bentner hahaha
     
  18. Drake44444

    Drake44444 Member

    Jul 5, 2008
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    great 2 goals for arshavin. just caught the highlights though
     
  19. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    That's 8 goals in 6 matches for Voronin. Why can't he play well for the UNT? I mean he scored, what, 6 goals in about 60 UNT matches?
     
  20. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    The way he play v. Serbia made me think he'd have a hard time making it into the team, now that he's scoring like this he's giving Mykkailychenko a real headache. I just don't see how Sheva can be in the first 11 in Wembley. Its got to be Voronin and Milevsky, but Voronin just doesn't look the same for Ukraine, they partnered together v. Belarus and had 1 or 2 good combos together but nothing else. I hope Voronin and his teammates can figure out how to use him, cause I really think him and Milevsky could be a good pairing given enough time.
     
  21. Zenit

    Zenit Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    That WAS funny.
    :D
     
  22. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
    Club:
    CSKA Moskva
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    Yea the Bentdner comment was hilarious.
     
  23. Drake44444

    Drake44444 Member

    Jul 5, 2008
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    funny cause its true!
     
  24. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
    Club:
    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    I agree that Sheva can not be in our starting 11 in England. Voronin must be it. Because, while Voronin - Milevsky does not sound inspiring, Milevsky - Seleznyov (or Milevsky - Homenyuk) sounds downright depressing.

    Oh! I know! Milevsky - Kravets! There's the ticket!!!
     
  25. FootyFan365

    FootyFan365 Member

    Jun 23, 2008
    Indy
    Club:
    FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    Re: FSU Players Abroad (Arshavin, Sheva, Pavlyuchenko, etc)

    The crazy thing is Sheva really has done nothing to get a call up. But he needs to be there in camp and during the game to help his teammates, you simply can't drop a player like Sheva that will kill the teams morale. I think Kravets has done enough to warrant a call up over Gomenyuk. Depends if we plan on taking 4 or 5 strikers...
     

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