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I don't get why we can't use examples of well run, successful, majority fan owned clubs. Majority of Bayern's revenue is corporate, by a wide margin, which is a direct result of them running the club successfully over the past 15-20 years. They prove the point that it can be done, and done well.

 

What the hell does this have to do with the college draft (for the record the Packers haven't been shyte since the late 80's)?

 

nothing which is why it shouldnt be copied at liverpool

 

No, they were shite in the early 90s, too.

 

Why not? Why wouldn't selling shares in the club direct to supporters rather than on a stock market, and then investing that in the club be a good idea?

If watching saved by the bell has taught us anything the early 90's are the same as the late 80's

 

it is a good idea it just wont happen or work in the scummy epl

 

What make the EPL any different than any other league, other than its mid-table teams are richer than most in europe?

There are 4 possible ownership models: Rich man's play toy, pseudo rich man's debt laden asset, conservative rich man's slow growth asset, or fan owned slow growth asset.

We currently have the model of conservative man's slow growth asset which spends what they make and tries to do so as efficiently as they can (with varying degrees of success). This model is very similar to what a majority fan owned team would be: spend what the club makes and try and do as efficiently as we can.

 

IMO, the biggest problem with the fan owned model is attracting new capital in the future. What new investor is going to want to come in as a minority partner to a fan owned/run organisation which could turn flakey at any time? And if the fans only own a small % and have zero say in anything, what's the point?

 

How does Bayern do it? They do it by having corporate partnerships that go beyond just being sponsors.

Why would a fan owned organization go flakey at any time? Its not like the club would be run by a bunch of jokers in the pub. You would still have (or get) proper executives to run things.

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It precludes the need for that type of an investor, though, doesn't it? Football doesn't just make profits so unless we're talking of "lender" type of investor.

 

hes under investigation and isnt one of bayerns directors in jail

 

in many other leagues the small teams have or recieve little even the relegation teams in the my a **** load.

 

Why does anything go flakey? It's not usually on purpose.

However, whoever the appointed executives are, they are ultimately at the mercy of the fan base. Which, in crisis, may make "emotional" decisions?

If I were investing a substantial amount of my own money, its not something I would want to get into.

 

But does it? What happens when a stadium needs expanding? Or TV money suddenly dries up? What if the club needs a big injection of equity?

Not saying there is any doomsday scenario on our horizon, but unexpected shit does and will happen .......

 

Well this goes to my other thought. Would you rather have a midtable club owned by the supporters? Or a title winning side owned by someone with no connection to the club? Obviously the devils in the details but in theory I would go for the former. For me supporting a club isn't just about being able to brag to friends about titles. If Liverpool was the first big English club to go to some form of fan ownership I would be 100% behind it, even if it put us at a bigger disadvantage financially.

 

I'd rather have an owner who was passionate about the club and who could afford to keep it competitive.

 

What's the story on Henry being at every Klopp match? He was absent for many of BR's biggest matches

 

Then difference between Germany and England is that Germany has no strong pay TV market, for reasons unrelated to football. Bayern for example had a domestic TV income of 50 million Euros last season. That's about half what, say, QPR got in England.

German clubs aren't really fan-owned, though - they are non-profit organizations, so fans (or anyone else) can't really buy shares. The professional football section is often (but not always) spun off into a company, of which shares might be sold to investors. Clubs don't actually need to own any of those shares, the rules in Germany only require them to have the majority of votes within the company (e.g. Borussia Dortmund's pro team is mostly owned by investors, but the non-profit club still has the final say on all decisions).

 

I wouldnt say fsg were the best judge of players

 

Nobody commented on this yet:
Ayre to step down at end of his contract. Unfortunately it runs through May 2017.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...iverpool-role-7556357#rlabs=2 rt$sitewide p$9

 

One of the happiest days in years. I thought it funny that JH says he tried to convince IA to stay on. Ha ha ha ha, uh huh, sure you did. Was that before or after you told him he could resign or be fired?

Now whoever buys the club can install their own person in that top job without worry. Such good news for the club.

 

I hope so