Friday 11 October 2024

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Oct 11, 2024.

  1. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Today's name the badge (thanks AeroNaught):
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  2. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #3 falvo, Oct 11, 2024
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    This logo is of Panetolikos a Greek team playing in the Super League of Greece.

    I used to follow Canada in the 1990's and recalled Canadian national team player, John Limniatis playing for them.

    Limniatis also coached the Montreal Impact during their USL years.
     
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "“MLS is developing, but it’s developing far too slowly and is still far from the standard we would imagine for a country like the USA,” Mintzlaff said."

    Well you could have done a Miami in Harrison pal, but you chose not to.
     
  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #5 falvo, Oct 11, 2024
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    I think it has developed into a viable and important league.

    I don’t believe there are any other leagues in the entire world that have made the same progress MLS has made in such a short amount of time.

    No one can equal the growth; number of teams or the stadiums that have been built and that each club owns.

    I think there was a setback with the 2020 Covid year but they have seemed to bounce back and attendances are very good.

    As far as the America’s, you have Mexico who also has a very sound league but Argentina and Brazil, despite having great, skillful players, can’t really match the financial stability of MLS.

    I mean many of their clubs have trouble paying players on time and that is why most of them try and play abroad when or if they can.

    I think the next step is the league should concentrate on scheduling, raising the quality and changing some of the crazy mixed up or re-think GA, INT, TAM and DP rules.

    I also think they should start making regular season matches more important as currently, many playoff teams start tanking games at the end of the season.
     
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  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They tried that route and it didn't work....... Angel, Henry, Marquez, Cahill....
     
  6. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
  7. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #8 falvo, Oct 12, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2024
    Just curious , other than hiring coaches , how does that revenue directly help improve the USMNT & USWNT’s quality and results or does it?
     
  8. AZUL GALAXY

    AZUL GALAXY Member

    Aug 28, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't work?

    3 Supporters Shields and packed houses (ish) at RBA.
     
  10. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Winner, winner!
     
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  11. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They won their first shield in 2013, Henry retired in 2014. Angel was no longer playing with NY then either. Marquez was shipped out in 2012. Tim Cahill was released prior to the 2015 season. They won one shield with the Glamor DP's.
     
  12. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #13 falvo, Oct 12, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2024
    Seriously, does winning the Supporters Shields really mean anything in MLS circles?

    Most people recall MLS Cup Winners but no one that I know ever talks about winning the SS.

    My San Jose Earthquakes won the SS in 2012 , finished 18 out of 19 teams only two years later (or during the 2014 campaign ), lost to a team that folded (Chivas USA in their last game ever) and have been horrible ever since.

    You would think an SS winner's placement in the Concacaf Champions Cup would gain or bring clubs an abundance of money and/or sponsors similar to the CL and EL in Europe but it really hasn’t worked out that way and certainly didn’t mean anything prior to 2015.

    Honestly, I don’t think winning the Supporters Shield is all that huge as fans make it sound because everyone cares mostly about the Playoffs and MLS Cup.
     
  13. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK they won the Eastern Conference four times in 6 years. I don't know what it's like in the west but in the east it means a lot.

    They averaged over 19,000 on those seasons. So they were doing things right, they had the support to go with it but since then it's rather fallen apart.

    So they had the momentum, they had all the right things in place, but since 2018 they've dropped off the radar as MLS Cup contenders.
     
  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #15 falvo, Oct 12, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2024
    Great but those superstar players were only signed to win the MLS Cup, not the Supporters Shield.

    As a matter of fact, since the inception of the leaggue and all the stars who have played for the NY Metros-RB, you would think they will have one at least one MLS Cup in 28 years.

    Top foreign players

    Branco
    Tim Cahill
    Youri Djorkaeff
    Roberto Donadoni
    Thierry Henry
    Juninho
    Rafael Márquez
    Lothar Matthäus
    Frank Rost
    Bradley Wright-Phillips
    Shaun Wright-Phillips

    Top American players

    Tony Meola
    Tab Ramos
    Alexi Lalas
    Jeff Agoos
    Mike Sorber
    Eddie Pope
    Thomas Dooley
    Clint Mathis
    Tim Howard
    Claudio Reyna
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right, so why did they change strategy to not signing star players, and not winning the eastern conference of the goal is to win MLS Cup? The number of MLS Cup winners that didn't finish in the top 4 of their conference is few.
     
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I don't know why they changed their thinking but the way I see it, maybe they stopped signing them because after spending a lot of money on those top players, NYRB finally figured out that they don't need overpaid superstars to win the MLS Cup?
     
  17. Night shift

    Night shift Member

    NY Redbulls
    United States
    Mar 23, 2015
    sec 201
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They only really had one “glamorous” DP….Henry. The years prior to Henry, they were signing players just to attract ethnic crowds, in my opinion. They had better attendance in the Henry years than now. They also had better attendance in the lower payroll Marsch years than now with better results. I think since they changed to the high pressing strategy with younger cheaper players, you really need to make sure you get it right with your signings. They had that early on but not so much now.
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not like the Red Bull organization is losing money on their investment.

    $36 million to $560 million according to Forbes.

    But they are threatening to spend $200 million on their academy.
     
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #20 falvo, Oct 12, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2024
    When you factor the recent appreciation and valuations of teams along with their stadiums, I don't think too many MLS owners, especially those who came into the league over a decade ago, are losing money.

    If owners were losing money on a yearly basis, they would probably want out as soon as possible.
     

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