<DudeMode>Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man</DudeMode> To expand: While I would concede Mike's talents were more immediately useful in for many tactical schemes, including Bob's, I do not think that in any way proves MB is per se a better player than Adu, let alone "much" better. In any case the paths of their careers do seem to be converging as far as their current prospects go, so the events of the next few months will surely add a lot of new fuel for this debate
Proof: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBcy2bStHto"]Crossbar: Freddy Adu vs. Michael Bradley‏ - YouTube[/ame]
Are you a Bieber or Montana fan? Talk about opinions. At least they have some real club facts to back them up. A bit more than just your, eh duh, opinion. Well, a much better/larger sample. That's for damn certain. Not even close. Look, I don't give a s**t who is better. I want all of our players to succeed, I just don't have the emotional baggage most here do, and won't ignore reality. Their paths aren't even close to converging yet on club level. All in your head. If MB stays on the bench at BMG and doesn't transfer/play , and Freddy actually starts playing somewhere then by Jan toss it out there. It would fuel a debate then. Until then it's typical over speculation and projection by Adu heads. Never fails. I am saddened and disgusted to see folks try and belittle a US player who has actually impressed many scouts, coaches and fans over the years. He has done it be play, not youtube clips. This BS about BB, his system and Freddy is even more pathetic. It's been gone over a million times so it is impossible to think you are anything than a Bieber or Montana fan if you so aptly ignore reality. I wish them both well, but damn this sad. A US players worst sin? Besides being a coaches son? Prove yourself constantly and earn playing time at your clubs, be wanted, be good enough to be given shots, but not be a world class player. Only guys who don't play all of the time, aren't being clamored for deserve that respect here. The guys who have done the least get the most love. It's why it's hard to respect many US fans in any way.
I don't respect Boca booting it a lot being slow and getting manhandled at times. But you are right; he has had a good career.
Exactly. Coaches found value in him and he kept getting jobs, and more importantly quality playing time/responsibility at those jobs. Multiple coaches. His sin? Not being top class. Guys who never play, barely play, haven't proven much get more respect then him. It's pretty repugnant actually. Like I said...emotional issues out there that are pretty damn pathetic. Even with BB. I was never keen on him. Wanted him out before the CC last cycle, thought this cycle was a big mistake, but I'm not gonna lie and make s**t up about him either/ignore the facts because I'm a Bieber/Montana head. It's not like we are raining solid mid level pros who play all of the time in Europe. Well, we are in some minds...it's just the coaches don't want them or play them over there. They are all wrong.
^THIS. There is a lot of things a national team manager can do. But he can't improve the skill level of the players and/or coach their club careers.
For a defender developed in the US system..........more than a good career. One of the most accomplished American defenders in history. He's obviously not the player he was 10 years ago, so people dump on him. But hey, they did the same to Eddie Pope. To bring it back to Freddy (as everything must)......................let's remember that Boca's pro career started when he was drafted by the Fire as a 21 year old out of UCLA. That's basically the same age as Freddy, who just turned 22.
American players still peak later than their international counterparts and that probably won't change for a while. When people post inane things like "I'm done with so and so. He'll never be anything" I think that shows a woeful understanding of the american player.
I suggest you update yourself on MB's club situation. MB will be fortunate to see the bench... Here let me help you out: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24017476#post24017476 Talk about typical. This is a typical overreaction by so-called "defenders" of Bradley anytime someone even suggests he isn't absolutely world class. Please explain to me in which twisted fantasy world does this statement constitute belittling: "I do not think that in any way proves MB is per se a better player than Adu, let alone "much" better." ? And talk about projection Disagree about the assessment if you will, but don't use a supposed nepotism-related bias as a refutation of a differing opinion. Fact is, the nepotism argument is easily used just as much by pro-Bradley posters to belittle posters who dare hold a different opinion about his quality relative to other players as it was ever used by anti-Bradley posters. Does MB have a stronger club-resume than Freddy? Undoubtedly. Is there proof one is better than the other? NO. But in a thread called "Freddy Adu is Back!!", and which turned out to be quite prophetic for the subsequent events, you shouldn't be shocked to find opinions which differ, and you sure as shit don't need to pull the nepotism card on someone who does not share your belief that MB is head and shoulders above Adu. P.S. Your intimation that I am the immature one by asking if I am a Bieber or Montana fan is pretty ironic
I do hope you are joking but irony is very hard to recognize on the Internet without remembering the poster's history or the appropriate smilies for context.
Anytime Zoidberg or that other guys Skewwhatever comes in here, this topic goes off hand. I think certain members who tend to troll whenever a player is mention should be barred from posting in those types of threads. You would rarely see me in a Michael Bradley thread posting. Why? I am not a fan of him, I don't think highly of him, and I just don't think he is good. Does it make it right for me to push that on everyone in a MB thread? No, so I don't. Some of you should take heed.
Jozy put a #blessed at the end of his tweet earlier today so clearly that means Jurgen called him in for the friendly. I know Jozy already stated he wasn't going to be there but that #blessed part of his tweet obviously means he will be there! I just can't understand what else that would refer to.
It can be a point of evidence... of course it helps if the players are, you know, playing. In any case, I know that if we ever have a dead-ball situation where hitting the crossbar will get us a goal I'll be the first to call for MB to take it over Freddy But given the current rules of soccer, I'm willing to bet more youtube clips can be found of dangerous/goal-scoring Adu free-kicks than can be be found for MB. I'll leave that as an exercise for... well, Blustar probably
Well I think it's case closed evidence that Bradley is a superior player in every way. Youtube clips don't lie.....
To continue on this hypothesis, the tweet could still mean "talked to Jürgen": - Jürgen calls Freddy and tells him he's planning with him and believes Freddy can contribute to the team. Freddy tweets "blessed" and tells Jozy in private "Dude, Klinsmann called me personally to talk to me about my future!" - Jürgen calls Jozy with a similarly positive conversation. Jozy tweets "blessed" as his own reaction. 2nd hyptothesis: Both have talked about the change and both are just as thrilled as many of the Anti-Bob/Pro-Klinsmann contingent here are, and post "blessed" based on prior agreement. Note that neither of these hypotheses stipulates they got called for this game, as only Freddy would still be excited about being called up for the USMNT, and Jozy has confirmed he is NOT going.
Well said. Infact, a whole lot of us should take heed. We don't have to tear down our players to make a point.
Klinsmann did say whoever he didn't talk to yesterday he would talk to today. When a professional soccer player has a twitter account to communicate with soccer fans who are following him because he's a prominent soccer player, during transfer season, under a brand new NT coach, there is just the slightest chance that ambiguous tweets might be, you know, soccer related. It's not really "insane" to speculate about that.
Have you forgotten? It's insane to speculate anything positive about Adu's future, because as we were told so many times: "He's just not good enough"
SoccerInsider Steven Goff Hearing that @FreddyAdu11 has been called into #usmnt camp for MEX friendly. He never rejoined Benfica for preseason, awaiting move #blessed Yeah, I added that last word.
I think. Chivas not only commands but did strike a difficult kick with great photo-alergenic success. Mexico and its Mexicans are taking over the world!!!!!!!