Frank Yallop coaching Death-watch, part dos

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  1. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
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    #1 markmcf8, Apr 29, 2010
    We maxed out the other thread arguing over whether or not our estimable coach should get the sack. I argue for his immediate removal, my bandwagon is growing. Some of you retain faith in Frank.

    I think pretty much everyone wants to see the last of JD.

    Carry on.

    GOOOOOO QUAAAAAAAKES!!!! :eek:

    - Mark
     
  2. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
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    #2 Earthshaker, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    You can pick up a Frank Yallop Death Watch at Macy's now.

    [​IMG]
     
  3. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
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    #3 ThreeApples, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Does anybody else find the term "death watch" a little distasteful when we're talking about someone's job, not his life?

    Sorry for being the schoolmarmish thread police.
     
  4. nihon2000

    nihon2000 Member

    Oct 14, 2008
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    #4 nihon2000, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    please ... no censorship of this nature!!
     
  5. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

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    #5 Beerking, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Frank has run out of ideas, he must go for the good of the team. We can only hope that he exits with John Doyle in tow.

    PS: First page!
     
  6. soccerdisciple

    soccerdisciple Member

    Mar 8, 2004
    #6 soccerdisciple, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Is there a politically correct way to tell a coach that they have lost heir job? How about "you fired," "dismissed," "terminated," "get rid of," "you are done,"etc.
     
  7. QuakeAttack

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    #7 QuakeAttack, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    I do feel sorry for Frank. This may be his last head coaching job in MLS. Future employment may be a huge concern for him at the moment...

    Doyle. He can go back to his day job.
     
  8. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

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    #8 markmcf8, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Yo, Ms. Nancy, I didn't make up the term, OK?

    Seriously, several publications have a "Coaching Death-watch" column. Who's going to get the sack?! So it's not that I came up with this thread title. I didn't even start the first thread.

    In any case, you've heard my arguments.

    Go Quakes!!

    - Mark
     
  9. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

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    #9 markmcf8, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    It's not so much that I love the young guys, as that I think we always need to have some young guys around to carry on building the team for the next season and the season after. I was responding to an earlier post about building for the future.

    As for Weber, I don't expect him to start now. We have Joe. I expect Weber to start getting more minutes though, especially if Joe is hurt. We should bring Weber along gently, rather than throw him into the fire. I think he has what it takes to be a quality MLS keeper. But again, I'm talking about future plans.

    Ring, Robles, others, same deal. We haven't seen enough yet, but there is promise in what we've seen. But it's much better to have these guys on the bench than Elliott or Ribeiro right?

    Yes, Frank has been starting Opara and Beta. Opara is the new shining light, sort of like Narcissus was years ago. Beta got thrown in because Frank had no choice. Now that he's gotten a shot, Beta has shown that he's quality. So he'll keep his spot, at least for a while.

    But Frank doesn't tolerate a lot of mistakes, at least from most players. Some guys can mess up over and over and still start. See Convey and Corrales. But some guys get sent to the bench and never return. It's just one more reason I don't want Frank running the team.

    Go Quakes!!

    - Mark
     
  10. proud smurf

    proud smurf Member

    Jul 30, 2005
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    #10 proud smurf, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    I still believe that, by getting Johnny Moore as GM, Frank will be able to be, the Frank we all know.
    When he was coaching the Galaxshit, he has a very shitty GM, well the same thing is happening with our Quakes.
     
  11. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

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    #11 markmcf8, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Yeah, this is delusional, wishful thinking on your part.

    The GM does not prepare the players.
    The GM does not pick the starting lineup.
    The GM does not set the strategy or tactics.
    The GM does not make the subs.
    The GM does not give the pre-game and half-time talks.
    The GM does not put players in the dog house.

    All of these things are areas where we fail. All of these issues are on Frank's plate, not Doyle's. In order to believe that Doyle is the main reason that we suck, you have to believe both that he chooses players that Frank actively doesn't want, and that he trades away players that Frank does want, and that Doyle somehow interferes with Frank's starting lineup. I don't think any of those things are true. Doyle works closely with Frank. I'm sure that it's a group effort.

    Go Quakes!! :eek:
    Fire Frank and JD right now!!! :mad:

    - Mark
     
  12. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
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    #12 Earthshaker, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    It's a "figure of speech". However, I think a better name for the thread would be, "Where Mark repeats himself ad nauseum".:p
     
  13. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
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    #13 falvo, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Wonder when they will be shown the door?
     
  14. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

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    #14 Earthshaker, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Yeah, maybe you could start a thread that focuses on that.
     
  15. UrawaRed

    UrawaRed New Member

    Dec 19, 2000
    Kiyose, Tokyo
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    #15 UrawaRed, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    I don't like it, either.
     
  16. UrawaRed

    UrawaRed New Member

    Dec 19, 2000
    Kiyose, Tokyo
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    #16 UrawaRed, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    I'd go for that. In fact, I think you could call it "Mark repeats himself with everything he said about Lothar (ad nauseam)."
     
  17. proud smurf

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    #17 proud smurf, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Soo, why pick on Doyle ?

    Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of our presentation on the field is Yallop job (responsavility), but I think that before getting rid of Yallop, we must ask Doyle to be the one Fired, if things doesn't improve then by all means Yallop head should roll.
     
  18. SJTillIDie

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    #18 SJTillIDie, Apr 29, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    You people are impatient and delusional. FY is a good coach. Sacking him will just make us lose more games and destabilize the team.
     
  19. soccerdisciple

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    Mar 8, 2004
    #19 soccerdisciple, Apr 30, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    What would Frank's performance evaluation look like in the 3rd year? Would it look different from the 2nd year? How many losing years can the system tolerate, 3 years, 4 years or even 5 years?
     
  20. krudmonk

    krudmonk Member+

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    #20 krudmonk, Apr 30, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch............

    the sequel!
     
  21. jeff_adams

    jeff_adams Member+

    Dec 16, 1999
    Monterey, Ca
    #21 jeff_adams, Apr 30, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Impatient? How long is patient? Let's take a statistical look at Frank Yallop as head coach.

    2001 to 2003 with Dominic Kinnear as assistant coach: 41 wins, 25 losses and 17 ties.

    That's a great record, no doubt. The question we all have is, how much credit does Yallop get for that record and how much should Kinnear get?

    Well, let us look at them separately, shall we? Since the split:

    Frank Yallop is 41 wins, 56 losses and 33 ties.

    That is not so good. How about the fact his teams have missed the playoffs for 4 straight years (5 if you want to count Canada not qualifying for the WC)

    Dominic Kinnear without Yallop: 86 wins, 50 losses and 65 ties.

    Hmmmm.....big difference. How about making the playoffs every year he's coached? Two MLS titles WITHOUT Yallop. Supporter's Shield (which Yallop never won).

    Kinnear was the engine running this team from 2001 to 2003. Yallop has clearly been below average without him.
     
  22. Goodsport

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    #22 Goodsport, Apr 30, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    Though it could also be argued that Dominic Kinnear had achieved that head coaching record while continuing to coach basically the same championship-caliber team they both built together (albeit retooled over the years since) while Frank Yallop had to constantly start from scratch since the split.

    Would their post-split records have been the same had Yallop stayed and Kinnear left after 2003? I'm not sure, but it's definitely worth considering.

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  23. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
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    #23 Earthshaker, Apr 30, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    What Goodsport said. Plus, by using your logic of giving the assistant so much credit, maybe a good portion our below par performance should be put on Ian Russell's shoulders.
     
  24. UrawaRed

    UrawaRed New Member

    Dec 19, 2000
    Kiyose, Tokyo
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    #24 UrawaRed, Apr 30, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    The formula is entirely too simplistic.
     
  25. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #25 JazzyJ, Apr 30, 2010
    Re: Frank Yallop Death-watch, part dos

    I don't know, Dom's team has turned over for the most part relative to the 2003 group. There are a few remaining pieces: Ching, ERob, Mullan, Mulrooney, and and Onstad. Ching has missed a lot of games, ERob missed all of last year, and I don't know that Mulrooney is still a starter.

    Maybe more telling is that when Dom rebuilt a good deal of the team in 2005, it rocked the house (that is, until the playoffs).

    So I tend to think that the "it was Dom" theory has some weight to it, although it's never quite that simple. But every year seems like Houston loses some critical pieces (DeRo, Holden, ERob to injury, Ching to injury), and they start out slow, and people write them off, and then in September there they are again at or near the top of the division. Damn...
     
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