Frank Deford doesn't bash soccer and you guys ignore him.

Discussion in 'Business and Media' started by AndyMead, Oct 23, 2002.

  1. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Pathetic. He tells it straight and you ignore him.

    If he says anything that could possibly be twisted into soccer bashing, you flambe him in nanoseconds.

    It's been hours since this morning's NPR bit and yet I see no mention.

    I'm really disappointed in you guys (and gals).
     
  2. ignatz

    ignatz New Member

    Jun 3, 2001
    Washington, DC
    What did he say? I didn't hear him.
     
  3. Sinko

    Sinko New Member

    Dec 28, 1999
    xalapa ver mx
    Club:
    Harrisburg City Isl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what did he say (or not say)?
     
  4. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    He promoting a telathon for former Miss America Pageant contestants fallen on hard times (wrinkles, sagging breasts, etc).
     
  5. PaulGascoigne

    PaulGascoigne Member+

    Feb 5, 2001
    Aotearoa/NZ
    Deford has a long anti-soccer history. Don't know what he's said lately, but this guy is as establishment sports as it gets.

    To his credit, "The National", the sports daily that was out in 1989-90, before it folded, was like a dream come true for sports fans. Unfortunately, it was a dream that didn't last long.

    Frank is a very bright and knowledgeable guy, but doesn't seem to appreciate soccer for whatever reason (at least club soccer in the U.S.). A great guy who unfortunately will wind up on the "ash heap" of history :D

    Major Probations:

    OU 3
    UT O

    Sooner Domination!
     
  6. 352klr

    352klr Member+

    Jan 29, 2001
    The Burgh of Edin
    Is that what you've had to resort to as a Texas fan? The # of times we've been on probation? You guys get more and more pathetic every year. Come see us when you've got something good other than your recruiting national championships.

    Simms for Heisman!
     
  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I had to laugh when he tried to draw a comparison between soccer officials and baseball umpires. As listening to him today, I realized that most diehard soccer fans don't try and compare soccer with baseball, but Frank tries to compare baseball with soccer - and he usually fails.

    Now, I don't think he really bashes soccer, but he seems to think that it is not really American enough.

    But then everything to him is baseball. When the legondary Laker announcer Chick Hearn died, the next day the tried to make his spot a tribute to him, but all he could do was talk about the legondary baseball announcer.
     
  8. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Deford 10/23

    ?? I listened to the Deford piece this morning - it had nothing to do with umpires etc, and little with baseball (unless you heard another story?). Today's topic was how to sound like a knowledgable sports fan when you go abroad. Poked fun at us by advocating telling foreigners that soccer in the USA is only held back by snobbish American pig media types. Also said it was unwise to bring up WC98 and our q-f run - that no one anywhere else sees us as a cinderella, and that the ultimate insult to the world would be us winning the World Cup (said it better, and balanced). More to it than that, and an enjoyable piece.
     
  9. cj herrera

    cj herrera New Member

    May 7, 1999
    Oakland, damn straig
    Aside from being ignorant and dismissive of soccer -- which is annoying enough -- Frank Deford is one of the worst radio commentators I've ever heard.

    He ranks right up there on with Susan Stanberg(sp) for cloying, over-inflected, arch, thudding, condescending, cheese-ball smarm.

    My hands can't reach for the dial fast enough when either of their hell-spawned voices hit the air.
     
  10. BennyD

    BennyD New Member

    Feb 9, 2001
    Cincinnati, OH
    Frank DeFord

    Frank did give a very good commentary on soccer this morning. Basically it was from the perspective of a European and what to say to them about sports. Many nice soccer plugs including the fact that we made it to the quarterfinals of the WC and that we should tell foreigners we are certain soccer will be as big over here as it is over there very soon.

    He gave props to Schumacker and stated don't even mention NASCAR to Europeans. He also stated how they perceive 'American' football, tennis, and baseball.

    Needless to say I was very surprised to hear the writer was Frank.

    Basically this commentary shows that Europeans are as elitist about their sports as we Americans are about ours.
     
  11. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    I posted my displeasure at his comments on www.bigmissamericapageant.com
     
  12. geohiller

    geohiller Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Anyone who wants to hear what was said can go to http://www.npr.org and then click on the link for Morning Edition. Deford's piece is segment 15.

    George
     
  13. JRstriker12

    JRstriker12 New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Falls Church, VA
    I heard him this morning and it was actually pretty funny. I have to say his line about how having the US succed in soccer would tick the rest of the world off since - in his view- we care so little about the sport.

    But, good or bad, why post about Deford (or Jim Rome) everytime single time they make a comment about soccer? I swear all these guys have to say is "Soc" and twenty thread show up on BS.

    Maybe we should just have a monthly "soccer hating columnist" recap thread so that we can keep need to praise or bash these two to a minmum. ;)
     
  14. Thomas A Fina

    Thomas A Fina Member

    Mar 29, 1999
    Hell
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think there should be a special wing in the US Soccer Hall of Fame for guys like Rome, Kornheiser and DeFord. They are part of the history of soccer in US unfortunately. To not explain the obstacles to soccer growth in the US would not be fair to future generations that might want to know the whole story.
     
  16. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is pleadge drive time here in Austin, so I skip NPR for a couple weeks till its over.

    (I already gave)

    Sounds like I didn't miss much.
     
  17. Space Ghost

    Space Ghost New Member

    Aug 3, 1999
    joisy
    I like DeFord. Even though he's not a fan, he's not a mindless ignoramous. I think he's actually tried to like Soccer, but just couldn't get there. Ok. I can't for the life of me see how car racing is anything like a sport, or the least bit interesting. That doesn't make me a bad person even though millions of people the world over disagree with me.
     
  18. delo_pata

    delo_pata Member

    Jan 12, 2001
    Durham, NC
    He's not an ignoramus, really, but he tries hard to play one when he does his anti-soccer schtick. Last time he was on PTI he went into this whole bit about how human evolution allows us to use our hands, which makes soccer something of the non-human animal kingdom.
     
  19. Deimos

    Deimos Member

    Apr 23, 1999
    Louisville, KY, USA
  20. Max Power

    Max Power New Member

    Jan 21, 2002
    Honolulu
    Frank Deford

    I think he was trying to be funny: "Now remember everyone, when you travel abroad, humor the foreigners and pretend like you actually care about sports outside the US that don't involve US athletes. The joke's on them!"
     
  21. I love soccer bashing threads. Keep up the good work. Deford and Rome should be the Galaxy's guests for their stadium opener next year. Make them sit through every second of the championship ceremony and game. Then see what they say Monday on the radio.
     
  22. delo_pata

    delo_pata Member

    Jan 12, 2001
    Durham, NC
    Now there's an idea. You could memorialize the event by creating special "Romey" and "Deford" supporter's sections.
     
  23. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    Seems like often the thread is started or egged on by someone who just wants to complain about people complaining about sportwriters who complain about soccer.
     
  24. Godot22

    Godot22 New Member

    Jul 20, 1999
    Waukegan
    So in posting this, you're complaining about complaining about complaining about complaining?

    Trippy.
     
  25. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    Exactly. Are you complaining about that?
     

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