France lobbies Turkey not to allow US troops.

France is proving it's the biggest hypocrite. France has been the most opposed to having Turkey in the EU.

Guess who also joined France on this position as well?

 

When does Hardball go on?? I mean your time? Cause ever since they changed it, i can't see it! I love the show Chris Mathews is turly one of us..he uses the term "moron", "Yup", "Chicks" and "Cool" alot

 

This is really big story here.

Turkey and France are not as ease for quite a long time!!!

It seems that the French Rap Scalion (Spelling anyone?) is trying to manipulate Turkey!!! Turkey really got mad and almost closed all relations with France!! This was in 2001, when France decided to recognized the Turkish Genocide in Armunia.

Yet, in the parliment of Turkey, people asked why they shouldn't support the French Genocide/Atrocity on muslims in Algeria?
http://www.atour.com/~aahgn/news/20010123f.html

Then ofcourse now, France is always against Turkey coming to the EU! They see them as non-european, and thus have no meaning to be in Europe!

And ofcourse, they vetoing votes to protect an EU (like it or not), which seems to me, if France was to be attacked (and i wish they were) than they would have gone buzurk on countries that oppose security for France.

In small terms, i think france wants it always there way and non other!! Snobbiness at its best!

 

You must know that when Jaques Chirac was PM of France, his nickname was Jaques Iraq, right?

He was so dubbed for his work to establish France as Iraq's #1 trade partner.

Now, let us take a look at the top four:

France
Australia (which recently suffered from a terror attack)
Russia
China

Yea, the US may have supported Iraq in the 1980s, but when the US goes back to Iraq, they will in dog fights against Migs, not F16s.

This war is about oil, but at least the US has the moral high ground...if that is possible with act of war.

 

Add French Mirgaes to the Iraqi arsenal.

Guess France was still stung from Gallipoli.

 

At this point, nothing surprises me.

Is Chirac going to send the French Foreign Legion to help Hussein?

 

We're for an invasion and lobby Turkey to allow our troops. France is against an invasion and lobbies Turkey to not allow our troops.

Your shocked outrage has been duly noted and catalogued. Thanks for playing.

 

This reminds me of my thread asking, what if Saddam attacks first?

Frankly, he's more justified in attacking us than we are in attacking him. And France has just as much right lobbying Turkey to prevent this war as we have lobbying them to make it happen.

 

The UK. Why do you ask?

 

Maybe you could stick to facts when judging
this particular situation, as opposed to " Fineman
said..( WTF is Fineman, anyway?)..If this is true..
..etc.." which turns into "France lobbies Turkey!"
in your thread header.

What about countries like Mexico, a Nafta member,
which won't side with the US either?
Is *Fineman* going to explain us now that France
is lobbying them as well, threatening to...I don't
know...deny them a EU membership??
Is France bribing Mexico more than the US is as
well?

About Turkey:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../ap/20030315/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_us_iraq_22

 

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L16539347

Anti-war Chirac hits top voter rating in 30 years

PARIS, March 16 (Reuters) - French President Jacques Chirac, propelled by his stand against war in Iraq, reached the highest presidential popularity rating of the last 30 years in a survey published on Sunday.

(...)



Go Chirac.

 

Hey Tex,

To me France doing this could cost American lives if it did had an effect on Turkeys decision.

Then to me this is an act of an enemy of the United States and not a friend.

I hope the US has a long memory concerning any future dealing we have with France.

This is much more then Frances usual bad manners concerning how they treat Americans. If this costs American lives when we clear out Iraq.

 

Chirac can't stop the war , and now is taking actions that could lead to the US and Britain taking higher casualties.

It's pretty clear at this point that Chirac's main motivation is the preservation of the Hussein regime.

How many hours would it be before Hussein kicked the UN inspectors out, if we called the whole thing off tomorrow morning and withdrew?

 

George Bush is all about taking personal responsibility, right? So I'm sure the last thing he'll do is blame France for the deaths resulting from his own invasion.

 

Wait, I thought the Turks decided this sort of thing for themselves....

I also thought the dream scenario for Turkey was to have no inconvenient US troops around, so they could do what they please in Kurdistan (a name I think they may keep, in the same spirit that the YMCA names summer camps after Indian tribes (metaphor courtesy of Too Much Joy)).

 

Might I suggest that the fact that over 90% of Turks oppose the US using their country for an invasion of Iraq may be a rather more important factor?

 

Looks like Chirac is setting a 30 day deadline for Iraq? Links to follow...if you look for them.

 

and what then?

If Iraq dropped a nuke on Paris, they would still be pushing against a military strike against Saddam.

 

Mark Twain quotes on France:

"France has neither winter nor summer nor morals--apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country."
- Notebook

"France has usually been governed by prostitutes."
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"French are the connecting link between man & the monkey."
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"Trivial Americans go to Paris when they die."
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"A Frenchman's home is where another man's wife is."
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

"An isolated & helpless young girl is perfectly safe from insult by a Frenchman, if he is dead."
- Notebook #20, Jan. 1882 - Feb. 1883

"A dead Frenchman has many good qualities, many things to recommend him; many attractions--even innocencies. Why cannot we have more of these?"
- Notebook #20, Jan. 1882 - Feb. 1883

 

Mark Twain on war:

To be a patriot, one had to say, and keep on saying, " Our country, right or wrong," and urge on the little war. Have you not perceived that that phrase is an insult to the nation.
- "Glances at History," 1906

An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war.
- "Glances at History," 1906

Statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception.
- "Chronicle of Young Satan"

Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out...and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel. ..And in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for "the universal brotherhood of man"--with his mouth.
- What Is Man?

And most importantly of all:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/warPrayer.html

 

> If Iraq dropped a nuke on Paris, they would still
> be pushing against a military strike against Saddam.

And if Iraq never lifts a finger again, the US would still want to go to war with them.

 

Nice literature, pure fiction.

http://csf.colorado.edu/archive/animal/msg00825.html

"Imagine the scene: a group of determined individuals tire of the ways of
their community and decide to secede, establishing their own territory and
lifestyles. But their actions anger those they have left behind, and the
revolutionaries are abruptly, and viciously attacked. All rebel males, and
many females, are murdered.

This grim tale could easily outline the human slaughters of Kosovo or
Rwanda.
In fact, it describes the chimpanzees of Gombe, in Tanzania, and forms the
core of Jane Goodall's chilling Through a Window in which the primatologist
recounts how, in the 1970s, the breakaway Kahama community of chimpanzees
were destroyed. One by one, individuals were murdered by their former
compatriots, a litany of deaths with a disturbingly familiar ring. 'I had
known that chimpanzees fight and wound one another,' she states. 'The
intercommunity violence was a difference form of violence, however."

 

> Nice literature, pure fiction.

Well, he can be forgiven as the state of chimpanzee study at the time was rather limited.